[spanalot]

“Submariners say there are only 2 types of ships: submarines and targets”

Wow - aint that something to ponder.

[SmithL]

Submariners say there are only 2 types of ships: submarines and targets. . . .

One Ping Only!

[RexBeach]

So far as I know, new destroyers may be slower than WW2 counterparts. I believe Fletcher Class DDs were capable of speeds as high as 35 to 38 knots. I am correct on that?

I love aircraft carriers, but if they are attacked by waves of cruise missiles launched from a long way out, how would one evade and survive?

Interesting post, thanks.

[null and void]

Submarines are good. Submarines are grand. But,

They make terrible aircraft carriers, and.

A single technological breakthrough that ‘renders the sea transparent’ puts the entire fleet at risk.

[No Truce With Kings]

Well, if the only function a navy has is controlling the seas, this submarines are the way to go. If you want to control the air over the oceans, or project power ashore you need surface vessels.

I think Mr. Burleson’s vision of what a navy is for seems pretty one-dimensional.

[PGalt]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

[Mariner]

This guy is a retard poser.

I'd like to see ANY fleet in the world...or combined fleet...challenge a combined US Carrier task force at sea.

While there may be some risk in coastal waters, noting can compete with a full battle group. They bring subs for sub-surface protection...and the aircover makes all the difference.

If you want the ability to P R O J E C T power, there's no substitute.

[taxcontrol]

This sounds a lot like the talk that I heard in the late eighties early nineties.

Why do we still have Infantry? With all the fire power that a modern air force can bring to the battlefield, with waves and waves of missiles and bombers etc ... isn’t spending thousands of dollars per Infantryman a bit extravagant?

Then a real war came along....

[dakine]

Chicks allowed on Subs?

[Dr.Zoidberg]

For some reason, that old saw about eggs and one basket comes to mind.

[magslinger]

SONOBUOY PING!

Not the usual fare for a Sonobuoy ping, but I thought there may be a few who would like to weigh in on the discussion.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
This is a medium volume pinglist.

[Non-Sequitur]

Some Russian-built boats come equipped with anti-aircraft missiles which makes this standard ASW tactic suicidal.

That's a myth. There is no way for a submarine to use such a missile without giving itself away, and that kind of defeats the purpose of the submarine in the first place.

[blasater1960]

Sneak a few of these babies into the Caspian Sea ;o)

[SShultz460]

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[Lee'sGhost]

Can’t wait to see the submersible aircraft that go with them.

[llevrok]

A well defended carrier group is pretty formidable. Subs are part of that group.

[denydenydeny]

as occurred when a Chinese SONG class stalked the USS KITTY HAWK last year,

I stopped reading after this nonsense.

[stuartcr]

Subs can’t support ground troops, or launch aircraft that can.

[RightWhale]

I am of the opinion that in full-scale shooting war at sea

The assertion is meaningless. This opinion may be a leftover of a bad dream, perhaps inspired by a bite of potato salad left out in the sun too long at the office picnic.

[Shellback Chuck]

Methinks Mr Burleson just received his dolphins, or is an armchair admiral playing too much “Harpoon”.