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To: LexBaird
Which these kids did, which is why the cars were confiscated and destroyed.

Were the entire cars stolen? Or was it just some of the parts? If the entire vehicle was stolen it should be returned to the insurance company who made good on the original claim for salvage. Likewise stolen parts. Suppose they had a stolen gear shift know. Does this mean that the state has the right to steal their whole car or just take the shift knob? If you unknowingly purchase a stolen DVD player at a flea market does this mean that the state has the right to burn your house to the ground?

What is going on here is an expansion of state power starting with an unpopular group - No one likes ricers except ricers.

But this is how the state always expands its power - a little at a time. Remember seat belt laws? First it was only if you were stopped for something else, and now we have the odious "clickit or ticket" where the seat belt gestapo can pull you over for something like this. And along this line, should they be able to take your car for not having your seat belt on? I see a future where this is on the agenda and the useful idiots going "yes! you're endangering yourself, you don't deserve to have a car, etc."

158 posted on 06/21/2007 10:05:54 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: from occupied ga
Were the entire cars stolen? Or was it just some of the parts? If the entire vehicle was stolen it should be returned to the insurance company who made good on the original claim for salvage. Likewise stolen parts.

That much, I agree with. The rightful owners should get their stuff back, so far as they can reasonably be determined.

Suppose they had a stolen gear shift know. Does this mean that the state has the right to steal their whole car or just take the shift knob?

Since when are gear shift knobs assigned VIN #s? There are specific violations that merit this punishment under California law, namely the use of parts with altered, defaced, or missing serial VIN #'s. These are major, structural parts of the vehicle. Everybody in the car-mod scene KNOWS exactly what that means - the parts are from a chop shop. If the ricers are gonna use parts they have every reason to know and believe are stolen, then I have no problem with the stated penalty being imposed. If they want to avoid such penalties, they should be more scrupulous about where they get their engines and trannys.

If you unknowingly purchase a stolen DVD player at a flea market does this mean that the state has the right to burn your house to the ground?

Reductio ad absurdum. A stolen engine in a car is an integral part thereof. A DVD player is not part of your house. However, if your house was being used to warehouse stolen DVD players that "fell off the truck", and they were discovered there while investigating you for cooking meth or fertilizer and diesel bombs in your kitchen, I could see a possible compelling state interest in removing said house from your possession. Your purpose in owning such premises consists of using them for illegal pursuits. The presumption is that, if returned to your keeping, you will return to the same illegal uses.

211 posted on 06/21/2007 11:22:30 AM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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