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To: csense; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[.. The bottom line is, I think it's silly for a serious reader of the Bible to conclude that Adam was metaphorical. ..]

How about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil..
Was that an actual tree or a metaphor?.. or the Tree of Life?.. or the Snake(Satan).. or God walking in the cool of paradise chatting with Adam?.. Where does the metaphor end and reality begin?..

Why would God include/allow Satan in Paradise as a spoiler to innocence?..
Upon hearing "its raining cats and dogs" do you run to the window to see pets falling?..

There is much much more information in Genesis ch. 1-3 as a metaphor than the literal words(gross language) contain.. Adam and Eve are just as real as a group metaphor symbolically as they would be if NOT a metaphor.... TO US...

Could be the Adam and Eve metaphor is a bootstrap to a much larger story Not Told..
i.e. what happened with the fall of the angels precipitating the need for humans..

449 posted on 06/26/2007 11:17:50 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
How about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.. Was that an actual tree or a metaphor?.. or the Tree of Life?.. or the Snake(Satan).. or God walking in the cool of paradise chatting with Adam?.. Where does the metaphor end and reality begin?..

Who says any of these things are metaphorical to begin with. Your assumption precludes a literal interpretation that is not borne out by the text, or further references to it.

Why would God include/allow Satan in Paradise as a spoiler to innocence?..

I don't know.

Upon hearing "its raining cats and dogs" do you run to the window to see pets falling?..

Now you're being silly

There is much much more information in Genesis ch. 1-3 as a metaphor than the literal words(gross language) contain..

You're comparing apples and oranges here. Genesis, chapters two and three, center around Adam and Eve, therefore it deals with the human condition which can lend itself to allegorical arguments, since moral truths are the nature of such things. I don't agree with these arguments, but at least you have the framework in which to make the arguments.

Genesis, chapter one, does not in any way deal with the human condition, therefore, if it is allegorical, it must relate to a scientific truth, or a truth about the dynamics of nature and matter. Of these arguments, I have found none that have merit when taken in context with the whole of the text. That's just my opinion, and I've spoken on these particular arguments before. Sadly, most people don't even bother to engage me further, and simply ignore my argument.

Adam and Eve are just as real as a group metaphor symbolically as they would be if NOT a metaphor.... TO US...

All you're saying here is that it doesn't matter if Adam and Eve were real or not. I happen to disagree. Everything in the Bible, not the least of which is Christs redemption, follows from this one central event. If you consider that event to be fictitious....then what's the point really.

Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again. You either believe that the Bible is the word of God, or you don't. It's that simple.

This argument that God would create us as incapable of understanding his word is nonsense. How hard would it be for God to have conveyed the idea of great lengths of time, or that all creatures are related to each other. In fact, such a story probably would have made much more sense to the people of the time than some invisible being poofing everything into existence for no apparent reason.

Could be the Adam and Eve metaphor is a bootstrap to a much larger story Not Told.. i.e. what happened with the fall of the angels precipitating the need for humans..

Well, surely God has hidden some things from us, as Christ testifies, but they are not for the benefit of those that would call themselves wise....rather, it is to their detriment.

459 posted on 06/26/2007 12:18:14 PM PDT by csense
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