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Can America Survive Evolutionary Humanism?
Mens News Daily ^ | June 19, 2007 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 06/20/2007 5:24:39 AM PDT by spirited irish

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To: tacticalogic
[.. Puppies aren’t muffins, so muslims aren’t muslims and christians aren’t christians. Got it. ..]

Your tactics are illogical.. you missed it..

461 posted on 06/26/2007 12:40:43 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: cornelis
I noticed that when you remove God from the hierarchy, something else floats to the top.

Exactly. And we know what that "something else" is that "floats to the top."

462 posted on 06/26/2007 12:41:18 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
Your essay reminds me of your writings in the introduction to

Don't Let Science Get You Down, Timothy:
A Lighthearted (but Deadly Serious) Dialogue on Science, Faith, and Culture.

Extremely rational arguments. Thank you tremendously for sharing your thoughts here. I agree: America was great because she was founded "under God" - even if nowhere in our founding documents will one find those particular words.

Question to the board: If my rights do not come from God, where do they come from?

Statement of Fact: My individual rights do come from God and are unalienable by man individually or corporately. Rights can be violated, but not taken away. To my last breath I am a free agent, because there is One God, One Lawgiver, One Judge, amen.

PS - I pray the Lord will grant that I may write a customer review at Amazon for you one of these days, ladies, if you would still like for me to try my hand at that.

463 posted on 06/26/2007 12:44:02 PM PDT by .30Carbine (My Redeemer is Faithful and True.)
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To: cornelis
[.. I noticed that when you remove God from the hierarchy, something else floats to the top. ..]

Thats a weighty meme.. like intellectual bubbles.. a fermentation..

464 posted on 06/26/2007 12:48:34 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: .30Carbine; tpaine; Alamo-Girl
Statement of Fact: My individual rights do come from God and are unalienable by man individually or corporately. Rights can be violated, but not taken away. To my last breath I am a free agent, because there is One God, One Lawgiver, One Judge, amen.

AMEN!!! The "God is dead" crowd want God dead for a reason: Man then becomes an easier prey. Any time someone takes a shot at God, it's man who takes the bullet.

All praise and glory to God!

Dearest sister in Christ, I would just love it if you were to write a review of Timothy at Amazon!!! Thank you so very much for your kind offer!

Note to anyone who might be interested in buying this book: It's less expensive at Faith and Reason Central

Hopefully, the Amazon pricing change we made will be reflected over there soon.

465 posted on 06/26/2007 1:02:44 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: betty boop
Any time someone takes a shot at God, it's man who takes the bullet.



Very worth bumping, that!
466 posted on 06/26/2007 1:06:48 PM PDT by .30Carbine (My Redeemer is Faithful and True.)
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To: csense; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; .30Carbine
[.. Who says any of these things are metaphorical to begin with. Your assumption precludes a literal interpretation that is not borne out by the text, or further references to it. ..]

I've notice with the bible.. there is a graduation from the literal to the metaphorical content.. Two camps and those in transition.. Those addicted to the literal are weaker in faith and "vision".. Their God is weaker than the God that hides reality in metaphor.. Pure genius on Gods part, I think..

The literal interpreters generally think they have God locked into a contract and they have contractual rights.. metaphorical interpreters generally have given up all rights to God.. The Total Law(Statutes) vs. Total Grace.. Which is basically the parable(metaphor) of the talents lived out..

Most literalists I know quite literally miss most of the metaphor in the bible.. not all but most.. What do they miss?.. The most important ones.. That also is according to plan.. Pure genius..

467 posted on 06/26/2007 1:12:48 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe; csense; .30Carbine; Alamo-Girl
The literal interpreters generally think they have God locked into a contract and they have contractual rights.. metaphorical interpreters generally have given up all rights to God..

Beautifully put, dear 'pipe!

468 posted on 06/26/2007 1:17:32 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: tacticalogic
Puppies aren’t muffins, so muslims aren’t muslims and christians aren’t christians. Got it.

No True Scotsman is a puppy.

469 posted on 06/26/2007 1:17:48 PM PDT by js1138
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To: csense
[.. Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again. You either believe that the Bible is the word of God, or you don't. It's that simple. .]

Jesus spoke mostly in metaphor, the deciples wondered about that.. You cannot believe in something that you don't know.. Is Jesus(God)?.. then how does God speak?.. If you miss the metaphor you have missed the word of God.. therefore what you believe is not the word of God.. or a mere surface understanding..

470 posted on 06/26/2007 1:23:57 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop; cornelis
Arthur Koestler:

"- The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation.
The historical record confronts us with the paradox that the tragedy of man originates not in an excess of individual self-assertiveness," - but in a malfunction of the affiliative, group tendencies of our species; - "an excess capacity for fanatical devotion. --

cornelis:
I noticed that when you remove God from the hierarchy, something else floats to the top.

BB
Exactly. And we know what that "something else" is that "floats to the top."

Yep. Excessive devotion to the 'cause' will kill our republic.

471 posted on 06/26/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: hosepipe
I've notice with the bible.. there is a graduation from the literal to the metaphorical content.. Two camps and those in transition.. Those addicted to the literal are weaker in faith and "vision".. Their God is weaker than the God that hides reality in metaphor.. Pure genius on Gods part, I think...

Aw, come on. hosepipe...what gives. I certainly have not judged or qualified your faith in the discussion so far, so why engage in this type of rhetoric.

I'm disappointed in you.

I've got go make some moves on my chess games before time runs out. I might be back later....

472 posted on 06/26/2007 1:54:35 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[.. Genesis, chapter one, does not in any way deal with the human condition, therefore, if it is allegorical, it must relate to a scientific truth, or a truth about the dynamics of nature and matter. ..]

Genesis ch 1 pertaining to this planet is not about creation it is about remodeling.. or recreation.. The (@hebrew)word translated as creation(ch 1) is really recreation or remodeling.. The earth was here already but was remodeled.. WHo says?.. A Hebrew scholar I know.. I believe him.. ugh! them!.. there are more than one convinced of this..

If true, and I believe it is true.. something could have happened to trash earth.. i.e. some kind of mischief of the fallen angels(Satan).. Genesis's abbreviated account of earths remodeling is also metaphorical.. After all who could understand what it would take to REMODEL A PLANET?..

473 posted on 06/26/2007 1:59:52 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop
Beautifully put, dear 'pipe!

Looks like my disappointment is two fold...

Well, you guys are free to believe whatever you want, but until someone puts forth a decent argument that Genesis refers to eons, rather than what we understand as a twenty-hour day, then all you're doing is blowing smoke in the air patting each other on the back...

Of course, you're certainly entitled to it, if that's what you so desire.

474 posted on 06/26/2007 2:05:02 PM PDT by csense
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To: csense
[.. Aw, come on. hosepipe...what gives. I certainly have not judged or qualified your faith in the discussion so far, so why engage in this type of rhetoric. ..]

Sorry, I didn't mean to be judgmental in spirit..
Just musing a muse.. about things I consider "neat"...
Literal and metaphorical observations are important I think..
Very important.. maybe my emphasis got spit on you, sorry..

475 posted on 06/26/2007 2:05:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
Your tactics are illogical.. you missed it..

If it's not oxymoronic (self-contradictory) or sophistry (using the same word with different meanings), then "illogic" seems to be the appropriate response. What'd I miss?

476 posted on 06/26/2007 2:14:00 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: csense; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[.. Well, you guys are free to believe whatever you want, but until someone puts forth a decent argument that Genesis refers to eons ..]

Whether eons or 6000 years.. does it matter?..
Salvation from the Messiah does not rest on creation yarns..
There are many things in the bible that are not critical..
Meaning we can dissagree on.. and observe differently..

477 posted on 06/26/2007 2:15:08 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: js1138
No True Scotsman is a puppy.

I'm not sure if it's all puppies, or just puppies in muffin pans.

478 posted on 06/26/2007 2:16:57 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
[.. WHAT DID I MISS? ..]
[.. Puppies aren’t muffins, so muslims aren’t muslims and christians aren’t christians. Got it. ..]

NO.... SOME muslims are not muslims and SOME christians are not christians..

Heck SOME republicans are not republicans.. (RINOS)..

479 posted on 06/26/2007 2:21:04 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
Heck SOME republicans are not republicans.. (RINOS)..

That would be "some Republicans are not republicans".

When you say "some muslims are not muslims" does the word "muslim" have the same meaning in both instances? If so, then it is self-contradictory. If not then it is sophistry.

480 posted on 06/26/2007 2:24:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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