Posted on 06/20/2007 5:24:39 AM PDT by spirited irish
Your tactics are illogical.. you missed it..
Exactly. And we know what that "something else" is that "floats to the top."
Extremely rational arguments. Thank you tremendously for sharing your thoughts here. I agree: America was great because she was founded "under God" - even if nowhere in our founding documents will one find those particular words.
Question to the board: If my rights do not come from God, where do they come from?
Statement of Fact: My individual rights do come from God and are unalienable by man individually or corporately. Rights can be violated, but not taken away. To my last breath I am a free agent, because there is One God, One Lawgiver, One Judge, amen.
PS - I pray the Lord will grant that I may write a customer review at Amazon for you one of these days, ladies, if you would still like for me to try my hand at that.
Thats a weighty meme.. like intellectual bubbles.. a fermentation..
AMEN!!! The "God is dead" crowd want God dead for a reason: Man then becomes an easier prey. Any time someone takes a shot at God, it's man who takes the bullet.
All praise and glory to God!
Dearest sister in Christ, I would just love it if you were to write a review of Timothy at Amazon!!! Thank you so very much for your kind offer!
Note to anyone who might be interested in buying this book: It's less expensive at Faith and Reason Central
Hopefully, the Amazon pricing change we made will be reflected over there soon.
I've notice with the bible.. there is a graduation from the literal to the metaphorical content.. Two camps and those in transition.. Those addicted to the literal are weaker in faith and "vision".. Their God is weaker than the God that hides reality in metaphor.. Pure genius on Gods part, I think..
The literal interpreters generally think they have God locked into a contract and they have contractual rights.. metaphorical interpreters generally have given up all rights to God.. The Total Law(Statutes) vs. Total Grace.. Which is basically the parable(metaphor) of the talents lived out..
Most literalists I know quite literally miss most of the metaphor in the bible.. not all but most.. What do they miss?.. The most important ones.. That also is according to plan.. Pure genius..
Beautifully put, dear 'pipe!
No True Scotsman is a puppy.
Jesus spoke mostly in metaphor, the deciples wondered about that.. You cannot believe in something that you don't know.. Is Jesus(God)?.. then how does God speak?.. If you miss the metaphor you have missed the word of God.. therefore what you believe is not the word of God.. or a mere surface understanding..
"- The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation.
The historical record confronts us with the paradox that the tragedy of man originates not in an excess of individual self-assertiveness," - but in a malfunction of the affiliative, group tendencies of our species; - "an excess capacity for fanatical devotion. --
cornelis:
I noticed that when you remove God from the hierarchy, something else floats to the top.
BB
Exactly. And we know what that "something else" is that "floats to the top."
Yep. Excessive devotion to the 'cause' will kill our republic.
Aw, come on. hosepipe...what gives. I certainly have not judged or qualified your faith in the discussion so far, so why engage in this type of rhetoric.
I'm disappointed in you.
I've got go make some moves on my chess games before time runs out. I might be back later....
Genesis ch 1 pertaining to this planet is not about creation it is about remodeling.. or recreation.. The (@hebrew)word translated as creation(ch 1) is really recreation or remodeling.. The earth was here already but was remodeled.. WHo says?.. A Hebrew scholar I know.. I believe him.. ugh! them!.. there are more than one convinced of this..
If true, and I believe it is true.. something could have happened to trash earth.. i.e. some kind of mischief of the fallen angels(Satan).. Genesis's abbreviated account of earths remodeling is also metaphorical.. After all who could understand what it would take to REMODEL A PLANET?..
Looks like my disappointment is two fold...
Well, you guys are free to believe whatever you want, but until someone puts forth a decent argument that Genesis refers to eons, rather than what we understand as a twenty-hour day, then all you're doing is blowing smoke in the air patting each other on the back...
Of course, you're certainly entitled to it, if that's what you so desire.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be judgmental in spirit..
Just musing a muse.. about things I consider "neat"...
Literal and metaphorical observations are important I think..
Very important.. maybe my emphasis got spit on you, sorry..
If it's not oxymoronic (self-contradictory) or sophistry (using the same word with different meanings), then "illogic" seems to be the appropriate response. What'd I miss?
Whether eons or 6000 years.. does it matter?..
Salvation from the Messiah does not rest on creation yarns..
There are many things in the bible that are not critical..
Meaning we can dissagree on.. and observe differently..
I'm not sure if it's all puppies, or just puppies in muffin pans.
NO.... SOME muslims are not muslims and SOME christians are not christians..
Heck SOME republicans are not republicans.. (RINOS)..
That would be "some Republicans are not republicans".
When you say "some muslims are not muslims" does the word "muslim" have the same meaning in both instances? If so, then it is self-contradictory. If not then it is sophistry.
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