“I have been to Daily KOS. I read it every day.
Surprise surprise.”
I like to think that people on our side DO read lots of different angles. That I like to see what the other side is thinking isn’t a negative.
“And I find that the Left doesn’t have any more fear of Fred Thompson than they do of Rudy Giuliani.
Then, your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking. “
If you are going to chastise me for reading Kos then presumably you don’t so how would you even know?
“Either that or you’re a campaign operative. Either way, you’re seriously in the minority on that. “
Nope - I am a TV Weatherman (and incidentally I think Gore is a fool but that’s for another day). Am I in the minority? Because aside from this one single poll, everything I’ve seen suggests Giuliani is the front-runner. Perhaps you are in the minority and need to branch out.
“I see someone that is wishy washy on abortion.
So, you prefer the all out pro-choice Rudy G, eh? That totally makes sense, considering you’re a Kos Kid. And Hannity didn’t have to save anything.”
You’re not getting it. I don’t like abortion but I’m not going to base my vote on it. I DO think that SOME ELEMENT of people in the GOP would base their vote on it. I think that Rudy’s abortion stance can be offset by the centrists he would attract. I think that Fred Thompson’s wishy-washiness may turn off those voters who think abortion is the most important issue. You DO believe that Thompson is more conservative than Giuliani, so what I’m saying is that Thompson won’t be able to make up for lost Christian Right voters by finding Centrists like Giuliani could...because after ‘06 they are more likely to vote for a Democrat.
Hannity did have to save him. He started to say something about not wanting to “criminalize” and that sets up a red flag for evangelicals.
“We’re not going to win in ‘08 unless we reach out to the center. I don’t necessarily like it but its true.”
I don’t like the amnesty bill and I want border enforcement before anything like that is even considered. But the media has successfully painted the GOP as anti-immigrant. And Duncan Hunter’s “We need to freeze LEGAL immigration” rhetoric does not help us. We need to expand the states in play. Thompson won’t do that. Do you honestly think he can win in any state that Bush did not in 2004, when the political winds were much more favorable than they are now? If you do then you are living in a dream world.
Sure - Rudy is to the left of me...but I agree with a lot of what he says aside from social issues, and he can WIN.
And don’t call me a Kos kid. I voted for Bush twice and have been posting here for 2 years. Just because I’m not jumping on the Fred bandwagon doesn’t make me less of a Republican.
I don’t think you’re a Kos Kid, but I do think you are missing something with Fred. He DOES appeal to the center, and I don’t think you realize that.
In fact, another Freeper pointed out to me that a DNC thread about Fred Thompson was pulled because self-proclaimed Reagan Democrats were saying they’d vote for Fred.
I think Fred’s centrist appeal is greater than Rudy’s and far greater than you realize.
YOU: The public as a whole is tired of the Southern act from the Republicans.
ME: Then why is he polling so well even before entering the race?
The PUBLIC AS A WHOLE includes the entire electorate. Thompson hasn’t beaten Hillary in a poll.
Good luck with your Rudy support. If he is the nominee, our vote will be split and Hillary will be elected. Until Rudy starts polling 20+ points ahead of Hillary, he’s WAY down in the polls to her, because that’s what the 3rd party challenger will grab at the polls.
You’re not getting what’s going on here. You are not even scratching the surface of analyzing this race or in investigating Fred Thompson.
If you don’t support him, fine. I really don’t care. But if you’re going to come here and tell us that we’re ‘crazy’ for supporting him, you are WAY the hell out of line. Especially if you haven’t done your research.
Thompson tied Giuliani for first last week and came in first in the Rasmussen poll, I think.
He went from coming in 3rd-5th to coming in 1st and 2nd in just a couple weeks.
No, it wasn’t Rasmussen, obviously. I will try to figure out which polls they were.
1) The candidates that have lost their run at the Presidency on the Republican ticket were—wait for it-— Not Southerners. the last two Democrat winners were, what? Southerners. History looks favorably on that region in prounoumcing who will be the next president of the United States. Bush 41 won, but his opponent was from MASS while he had Reagan’s coattails. In ‘92 Clinton beat him. I’m not saying only a Southerner can win, but I’d choose someone from the Mid-west as more likely to have the upset then a person from the northeast.
2) If the media has successfully painted the GOP as anti-Immigrant, then why is the ONLY area they score better then dems on Immigration? And why are the polls so against amnesty?
3) The voters the GOP lost in the last election are known as Reagan democrats. That is, CONSERVATIVES that left the DNC because they didn’t represent them but left the GOP now because the DNC ran candidates with conservative platforms while the GOP became liberal lite.
4) You state Rudy is better then Hillary, even if he’s a little to the left of you. Hillary’s record is comparable to Rudy’s, in all but maybe the war. So does that mean your beliefs in essence reflect that of Joe Leiberman’s? I’d praise you for that if you were a Dem, but on a republican ticket it is unacceptable to me. that position will not bring the Reagan Dems back.