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To: EternalVigilance
Do you think your rights to life and liberty are superior to the baby who is right this second dying at the hands of a Planned Parenthood butcher?

Yes. Here's why.

Abortion is an evil thing that we must fight. But what is the best way to fight evil? I say that securing liberty for a free people is much better way to fight evil. But when you give more power to government you diminish the liberty of the people. Police power has been used to jail protesters at abortion clinics. Public schools ban speech against abortion and other family values. The one nonviolent sanction that free people have, the right of free association, is being eroded.

Most doctors exercise their right to refuse to do abortions but that is starting to erode in some places where they are required to study and practice abortion in medical school. After we have socialized medicine, that right will disappear.

If this trend continues towards liberalizing and marginalizing the constraints established in federal and state constitutions then the people will have no freedom to fight these evils.

184 posted on 06/18/2007 11:03:22 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Yes.

Unreal. Why are your rights superior to theirs? You said "Here's why," and then you completely glossed it over without actually saying one thing that proved that your rights are in any way superior to theirs.

But when you give more power to government you diminish the liberty of the people.

We're not talking about increasing the power of government. We're talking about defending the most fundamental right there is, the right to live. That's government's reason for being, according to the Declaration.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men...

187 posted on 06/18/2007 11:15:50 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("You will have your bipartisanship." - Fred Thompson, May 4, 2007)
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To: Dan Evans

“Abortion is an evil thing that we must fight. But what is the best way to fight evil? I say that securing liberty for a free people is much better way to fight evil. But when you give more power to government you diminish the liberty of the people.”

What you and many other people seem not to understand is that the erosion of the rights you mentioned was a CONSEQUENCE of Roe. Get rid of Roe, and nobody will be harassed by government for any of these exercises hou mentioned: protesting abortion, exercising free speech to condemn it, refusing to commit it, and so forth. By claiming that the erosion of liberty here is due to the attempts on the part of a free people to protect the life of the unborn and the bodily integrity of their mothers, you are turning the whole apple cart upside down. The right to life is paramount. It trumps the right to liberty. And when liberty is used to deprive others of life, it needs to be curtailed with respect to that action.

The whole problem is that people no longer discern. They think that if we curtail any destructive activity whatsoever, we erode liberty. But the Founders clearly showed that our Constitution was only sufficient to govern a virtuous people. There is no virtue in prohibiting people from seeking to protect the unborn and their mothers by whatever means possible. When we acquiesce to the travesty of Roe, we begin to think we don’t have to protect these other rights, either. So the best way to protect those rights is to get rid of Roe and start prosecuting the axe-murderers.


218 posted on 06/20/2007 1:26:06 AM PDT by PatGoltz (http://www.seghea.com/emails/terrorism.html http://www.seghea.com/emails/iraq.html)
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