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Judge orders life support for hospice patient
AZstar.net ^ | June 15, 2007 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/15/2007 2:54:30 PM PDT by balch3

MESA, Ariz. - An incapacitated Chandler man in a hospice must be kept alive and given a special guardian, a judge has ruled. Jesse Ramirez, 36, suffered a broken neck, fractured skull, punctured lung, broken ribs and fractured face in a rollover crash May 30 in Chandler. A neurosurgeon told Ramirez's wife and family on June 8 that doctors had done all they could for Ramirez, who maintains minimal brain activity. Ramirez's wife, Rebecca, reportedly wants him to be denied food and water but his parents and sister want him to be given life-supporting care.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; schiavo; schindler; terri
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1 posted on 06/15/2007 2:54:32 PM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3

Hope his parents have better luck against his ‘wife’ than Terry Schiavos’ had aginst her husband.

What kind of person (that was suppose to love you in sickness or in health) can look at the person they married and go “oh well, they’re not the person I married anymore — cut off the support!”

Sick, twisted, and evil...that’s what I call them.
What harm is it doing you if they ‘live’ that way? God wants them, he’ll call them and all the ‘medicine’ in the world can’t stop that.


2 posted on 06/15/2007 2:58:06 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: balch3

excuse me I don’t mean to sound heartless but the ultimate decision should rest with the spouse, not her family.


3 posted on 06/15/2007 2:58:07 PM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: Shadowstrike

He must have a hell of a life insurance policy.


4 posted on 06/15/2007 3:01:40 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: Ancient Drive
He's a living human being. He has rights.

St. Petersburg, FL, notwithstanding, a spouse doesn't have the right to kill a spouse.

5 posted on 06/15/2007 3:01:43 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: balch3

I thought murder was illegal.


6 posted on 06/15/2007 3:03:24 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: balch3

The ultimate decision must lie with the people paying the bill.


7 posted on 06/15/2007 3:03:59 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: unspun
Rebecca Ramirez, 33, has said she does not want her husband to live if he could not care for himself.

Shocking Statement.

8 posted on 06/15/2007 3:05:54 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: balch3

Okay, who’s got the B&W photo of the guy going, “Aw geez, not THIS sh__ again!”?


9 posted on 06/15/2007 3:06:27 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

It’s not, ask the Schindlers.


10 posted on 06/15/2007 3:09:06 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: oprahstheantichrist
That what I though, illegal in ANY state.

It is so very easy to take like away but there are none here that can give it.

11 posted on 06/15/2007 3:12:15 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: balch3

Who is paying the bills?


12 posted on 06/15/2007 3:22:04 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: unspun
a spouse doesn't have the right to kill a spouse.

Unless your name is Mary Winkler
13 posted on 06/15/2007 3:23:03 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Ancient Drive
excuse me I don’t mean to sound heartless but the ultimate decision should rest with the spouse, not her family.

Do you have any children?

14 posted on 06/15/2007 3:23:23 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Give me 10 days and we'll be at war with those SOB's - I'll make it look like their fault!")
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To: unspun
"... doctors had done all they could for Ramirez, who maintains minimal brain activity"

It sounds like he is already dead.

15 posted on 06/15/2007 5:27:56 PM PDT by Will_Kansas
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To: Ancient Drive

I wonder how you would feel if you were that way related to Terri’s husband and it happened to you?


16 posted on 06/15/2007 5:30:37 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: lesser_satan

She probably can’t take of him.


17 posted on 06/15/2007 5:31:06 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Will_Kansas

This isn’t about end-of-life at all: it’s about INSURANCE, I suspect. The “wife” may be greedy for the coming “funds”. She can get a new house and wardrobe. Of course, if there is no insurance, she just wants to be “rid” of the “burden”.


18 posted on 06/15/2007 6:04:50 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Ancient Drive

Sure, tell that to my mother, who tried to get my stepfather food, antibiotics and hydration. Hospice decided to withhold it all and she had absolutely no say. She was trying to get him out of there but no place would take him since he was “in” hospice.

he had cancer, but was doing pretty well. He was up walking and eating, the morning he was admitted to hospice. He felt bad in the afternoon went to the hospital and they transferred him to hospice. Hospice told my mother it would be just like home care but that they would be helping her. They showed her a kitchen and said she could make him anything he wanted. They signed him in she went home to get some clothes for him and when she came back they had him in a bed with rails up, IV hooked up and a nothing by mouth sign over his bed. Hospice lied to my mother and she will never forgive or forget what they did to her husband.


19 posted on 06/15/2007 6:16:40 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: edcoil
Who is paying the bills?

Perhaps we should split up the bill and send it to the people on this thread who believe he should be kept on life support indefinitely? We don't know the details. Perhaps the man was of the opinion (like me) that he didn't want to end up on life-support. So I would reserve judgment until I had all the facts before preaching what this lady should or should not do.

20 posted on 06/15/2007 6:20:40 PM PDT by plain talk
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