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To: Yankee Dutch
And what has he lied or spinned about?

That this bill is not amnesty. That the illegals are only doing jobs americans won't do. That the Minutemen are vigilantes. That islam is a religion of peace.

The list goes on and on...

845 posted on 06/14/2007 5:36:12 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta; Yankee Dutch
"And what has he lied or spinned about?"

That this bill is not amnesty. That the illegals are only doing jobs americans won't do. That the Minutemen are vigilantes. That islam is a religion of peace. The list goes on and on...

Right. Bush should take the official position that Islam is a religion of hate. Incredible.

JeffAltanta is the perfect example of the hysteria on these boards fueled by the belief that any viewpoint differing their own is therefore a "LIE!" or "SPIN".

Pathetic.

864 posted on 06/14/2007 5:56:36 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: JeffAtlanta

I would only bother to argue the last ‘spin’ point, since the others I agree with to some degree. President Bush has done us a great favor by not making the war on terror a crusade. It is the only way some form of eventual peace is even plausible.

As for people who continue to defend President Bush on this issue, I noticed your comment regarding the formation of ICE in post #518. I worked on a Customs contract in 2002 and saw what a bungled mess it was going to be when it was decided that the DHS was going to be formed. I think people who have seen our bureauracy in action and up close might have a little more sympathy for President Bush.

The number of processes, departments, people, and systems (computer) that are intertwined in solving this mess are incredible. It is extremely complicated. I won’t argue about progress on the boarder, this needs to get done, but the rest of it? I dare anyone to prove there’s an easy solution.


867 posted on 06/14/2007 5:59:22 PM PDT by Yankee Dutch
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