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Conservatives Get Ultimatum, GOP Pushed on Immigration
Roll Call ^ | June 13, 2007 | John Stanton

Posted on 06/13/2007 9:43:46 AM PDT by 3AngelaD

Senate conservatives have been warned by Republican leaders that they must either accept a series of largely symbolic floor votes on a handful of amendments to the immigration reform legislation or see themselves shut out of the process altogether when the chamber resumes work on the bill later this year, GOP lawmakers and aides said Tuesday...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 110th; aliens; amnesty; blowbackfordubya; brownshirttactics; deathofthegop; immigrantlist; immigration; intimidation; noamnestyforillegals; scaretactics; threats; vampirebill; youbigots
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To: 3AngelaD

As somebody else said a few days ago, it’s not time to leave the Party but it is time to throw the pirates overboard!


121 posted on 06/13/2007 1:46:41 PM PDT by Gritty (We have aging white Americans, dying, shitting their pants in fear. I love it.-Prof J Gutierrez U-Tx)
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To: 3AngelaD
This isn’t 500 million DIFFERENT people, it is 500 million border crossings. It is relatively easy to count heads going back and forth across the bridge.

Are you sure about that?

I can't figure out how to get this bit of info on my clipboard so I'll just type the information......

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"Perhaps, the most important tie connecting our countries is not commerce but people. Every year, our two borders experience 500 million border crossings and the largest source of immigration to the United States in the past three decades has been Mexico-by far.

Nearly thirty percent of all legal immigrants to the United States have come from just one country-Mexico- and nearly 60 percent of all undocumented workers. Canadians move to the United States for both pleasure and work than to any other country. Americans travel more to Mexico and Canada than to any other countries. In brief, our people are connecting the countries routinely and more than ever before. And yet, despite growing interaction, or perhaps because of it, there have been increasing frictions and disappointments among our countries in the past few years."

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Now, you said we can keep tabs on those 500 million a year, how's that possible if 60% are undocumented?

We don't know who the hell's in this country.

122 posted on 06/13/2007 1:57:04 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: pikachu
Know our government, they count the number of legs then divide by two and then add five percent.

As good a number count as any. lol

123 posted on 06/13/2007 2:00:43 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: DumpsterDiver

10-4 Senor! :-)

(bad Joke I know)


124 posted on 06/13/2007 2:02:08 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
There's instant money in tracking stock, not so in tracking people.

Money's money.

In the pdf I was reading it mentions that OUR population is aging and needs to be replaced with younger workers. I guess we know who the younger workers are huh.

125 posted on 06/13/2007 2:05:56 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: JeffAtlanta
There is no excuse for conservative states such as Georgia, South Carolina and Mississippi to have some twisted senators.

Well, I don't see it that way -- Liberal elites and old time Southerners often share different versions of "plantation mentality". Both groups support creating second class citizens - cheap and submissive employees. It must make them feel big or something. Think "slavery lite" - it's creepy...

126 posted on 06/13/2007 2:08:35 PM PDT by GOPJ (Why do open border lobbies push for amnesty when borders leak like sieves? (hint: new dem voters))
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To: davidlachnicht
Shouldn’t put the words...NO ERECTION...in any slogan involving a room full of traitorous OLD men.
127 posted on 06/13/2007 2:08:49 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

“Reid stated a few hours ago on the radio he’s not allowing anymore amendments and to take the bill as is. He wants 25 from the GOP to sign off on it or he’s not bringing it back.”

Right decision, wrong reason... Still, I’ll say a little prayer that Harry sticks to his guns. Anything that keeps this bill from seeing the light of day is fine by me. I do hope Republicans won’t fall into Harry’s trap - he wants the blame for this to fall squarely on Bush and the GOP. Sadly, they’ll deserve it if it happens :/


128 posted on 06/13/2007 2:09:06 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: JeffAtlanta

“Good. What is he saying about Bush, Lott, McCain and Kyl?

I remember a few years ago when Bush was pushing all of these socialist programs and Rush was running cover for him by saying “It’s brilliant strategery - he is taking an issue away from the democrats - Bush is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers”. I hope those days of being a whitehouse apologist have ended.”

This is the reason I no longer listen to Rush. It seemed to me, and perhaps I was wrong, that his politics shifted 180 degrees when the White House went from Dem to Rep... He started making incredible excuses for behavior he had condemned just a few years earlier. I’m glad that after the last election he said he’d stop carrying water, but my feeling is he never should have started in the first place. He let the RINOs turn him into a PR machine, instead of a voice for reason. I’d like to hope he can come back from that, but I’m not sure.

Again, just my opinion. I haven’t listened in quite a while so my thoughts may no longer be accurate.


129 posted on 06/13/2007 2:13:18 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: processing please hold

In some ways, does it matter who’s kids they are, if they are not YOUR kids?

If the immigrants love America, and forsake their country, and learn english and teach their children to love America and adopt it as their home country, they aren’t any different than your neighbor’s kids, or Pelosi’s kids.

The fight is not against immigrataion, it’s against the type of people we are letting into the country, people who want to take OVER our country and turn it BACK into their country, rather than people who want to be part of our country.


130 posted on 06/13/2007 2:13:37 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: COgamer
I can't fault Rush. I put a lot of trust, hope, and faith in GW and turned many a blind eye.

Now my repressed doubts are coming back. The time I first thought "utopian" when Bush explained his great vision for Iraq. My thought was..."There are precious few cultures that can handle freedom, and Islam is definitely not one of the few." Then Bush scolded people who thought that Muslims might not "deserve" democracy...hinted that they might be bigots or uncharitable...should have listened to my inner cynic. Now he's pulled that card out again.

I met more than one older American who went anti-Bush after the prescription drug policy...they all had good insurance which was ruined by the legislation.

And the conservative teachers I know who deal with "No Child Left Behind"--

Any respect or trust I had left vanished on Election Morning when Richie Cunningham Snow was gloating and chirping about how glad he was that we could sign America over to Mexico--thanks to the defeats of the GOP.

131 posted on 06/13/2007 2:19:39 PM PDT by Mamzelle ("Mr. Elite Pro-Amnesty Republican--has your family ever employed illegal labor?")
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To: COgamer
I can't fault Rush. I put a lot of trust, hope, and faith in GW and turned many a blind eye.

Now my repressed doubts are coming back. The time I first thought "utopian" when Bush explained his great vision for Iraq. My thought was..."There are precious few cultures that can handle freedom, and Islam is definitely not one of the few." Then Bush scolded people who thought that Muslims might not "deserve" democracy...hinted that they might be bigots or uncharitable...should have listened to my inner cynic. Now he's pulled that card out again.

I met more than one older American who went anti-Bush after the prescription drug policy...they all had good insurance which was ruined by the legislation.

And the conservative teachers I know who deal with "No Child Left Behind"--

Any respect or trust I had left vanished on Election Morning when Richie Cunningham Snow was gloating and chirping about how glad he was that we could sign America over to Mexico--thanks to the defeats of the GOP.

132 posted on 06/13/2007 2:20:19 PM PDT by Mamzelle ("Mr. Elite Pro-Amnesty Republican--has your family ever employed illegal labor?")
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To: Ouderkirk
IF this immigration/amnesty bill passes and the GOP supported it...I am going to have to part company with the GOP. It pains me to do so, but they have left me no choice. Gotta start a national Conservative Party.

I'm in the same boat as you. I will be the second member after you.

133 posted on 06/13/2007 2:21:52 PM PDT by part deux
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To: chicagolady
10-4 Senor! :-)

Soy (estoy ??) una senorita (or words to that effect).

(bad Joke I know)

As is my Spanish! LOL.

134 posted on 06/13/2007 2:23:04 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer
No, actually the Amnesty Bill for for Jeb’s son, “44” as Jorge likes to call him. The Bush presidential dynasty will continue, as soon as the old conservative base is replaced with the newly created “legal illegal mexican” voting base with a half-mexican Bush running for President. Bush is tired of dealing with conservative Republicans - so he plans to replace the old base and import a new base to do the job that Republicans refuse to do - vote for his nephew, George P. Bush aka “44”.

Bullseye. This is the price of the presidency for 44.

135 posted on 06/13/2007 2:23:44 PM PDT by part deux
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I've never been against LEGAL immigration and you'll never find a post of mine that says opposite. It's the ILLEGAL, law breaking aliens I have the problem with.

As I've said before, I have two (one living) gc who's ancestors came from mexico-legally.

136 posted on 06/13/2007 2:24:07 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: 3AngelaD
So, what I’ve been saying all along, that individuals Senators (also Representatives) are nothing more than puppets of the Party finally is out in the open. The party bosses are unelected individuals and don’t answer to the people, yet decide the direction of our country. Even the President is held captive by their power as has been demonstrated lately. I hope all you zealous party defenders understand this wakeup call.

Down with the duopoly of a two party system!!!

137 posted on 06/13/2007 2:25:47 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: holdonnow; AliVeritas

Have you seen this from Roll Call? WTH.


138 posted on 06/13/2007 2:27:00 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: Ouderkirk; All
IF this immigration/amnesty bill passes and the GOP supported it...I am going to have to part company with the GOP. It pains me to do so, but they have left me no choice. Gotta start a national Conservative Party.

I think we conservatives have to follow the Reagan example: change the party from within--but do not abandon her. Reagan was out in the cold for decades as a true conservative, while the Rockefeller/Nixon/Ford wing of the Republican party ran things. But Reagan eventually prevailed, and America prospered beyond anyone's expectations.

If we conservatives bolt the Republican party because of the current lack of conservatism in party leadership, we give the nation over to Democrat Liberals and Rockefeller Republicans. That would be awful.

I hope conservatives will stick it out and do the slow, long, hard work of reforming an electable party.

139 posted on 06/13/2007 2:30:41 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: COgamer

Well the last I heard Reid was meeting in the White House with Bush. You know nothing good will come of that. It’s a win/win for democrats either way but Bush doesn’t care, he just wants an amnesty and isn’t interested in the political, social, or economic ramifications of it.


140 posted on 06/13/2007 2:38:25 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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