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To: Coyoteman

You keep bringing up the year the number 4350 years ago which I dont HAVE any idea what it has to do with the world-wide flood:

There is mucho evidence such as the “rock layers”: Fossils have everything to do with a world-wide flood (and I believe it was more along the lines of around 6000years ago).

once again fossils are the fossils of animals drown and rapidly burried under layers of mud, just as when you put mud in cup it stratifies, so did these layers.

all the cultures you talk about are decendents of 1 man’s family, that’s the continuity. Nothing says that todays genetic variation of the middle eastern cultures would be the exact same as say their variant brothers in Europe, Asia, Aust or the Americas.

Didn’t they do a study a couple years ago that found that modern humans midocondrial DNA (that from the mother) all seems to point to a “common ancestor”- aka “Midocrondrial Eve”- Really Noah’s wife.


189 posted on 06/11/2007 5:11:38 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1
“Midocrondrial Eve”- Really Noah’s wife.

...and in an unbroken line to the true Eve.

190 posted on 06/11/2007 5:14:08 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: JSDude1
Re the latter piece, yes, there was a study re mitochondrial DNA, but it wasn’t traced to one man, it shows there was a bottle neck about 140,000 years ago where there were less than a few hundred breeding families (Seven unique mitochondrial lines w/ family variants). The bottleneck is attributed to the Toba eruption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mitochondrial_DNA_haplogroups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Daughters_of_Eve

193 posted on 06/11/2007 5:20:38 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: JSDude1
You keep bringing up the year the number 4350 years ago which I dont HAVE any idea what it has to do with the world-wide flood:

My sources for the date of the global flood:

2252 BC -- layevangelism.com

2304 BC -- Answers in Genesis (+/- 11 years).

2350 BC -- Morris, H. Biblical Creationism. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993.

2370 BC -- TalkOrigins.com

2500 BC -- http://www.nwcreation.net/biblechrono.html

2522 BC -- Dr. Gerhard Hasel

2978-3128 BC -- http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199605/0162.html

3300 BC -- http://www.biblediscoveries.com/flood1.html

3537 BC -- Setterfield (1999)


There is mucho evidence such as the “rock layers”: Fossils have everything to do with a world-wide flood (and I believe it was more along the lines of around 6000years ago).

The dating of fossil-bearing rock layers spans hundred of millions of years. This precludes a single event. Also, none of the dates are anyhere near 4350 (or 6000) years ago.


once again fossils are the fossils of animals drown and rapidly burried under layers of mud, just as when you put mud in cup it stratifies, so did these layers.

The fossils show a clear progression from young to old, with some dying out and new species taking their place. This spans hundreds of millions of years. The fact that many have the same mode of burial (mud) is incidental. Many also were buried beneath volcanic ash.


all the cultures you talk about are decendents of 1 man’s family, that’s the continuity. Nothing says that todays genetic variation of the middle eastern cultures would be the exact same as say their variant brothers in Europe, Asia, Aust or the Americas.

You really need to study this a bit. The genetic diversity could not have come from eight individuals 4350 years ago. On the other hand, there is clear evidence of the migrations of mankind spanning over 150,000 years. See the Journey of Mankind. Heck, my own research has produced mtDNA older than 4350 years--and there was continuity in that mtDNA type all the way to living individuals. And the haplogroup did not match any of the Near Eastern haplogroups.


Didn’t they do a study a couple years ago that found that modern humans midocondrial DNA (that from the mother) all seems to point to a “common ancestor”- aka “Midocrondrial Eve”- Really Noah’s wife.

There was such a study. But to understand its meaning, you need to understand how mtDNA is transmitted from generation to generation. It is passed from a mother to her children, but male children do not pass it on--only daughters pass their mtDNA on. Thus, the mtDNA of any mother who has only male children is lost to future generations. In tracing back to the “Mitocrondrial Eve” that is what you get--not the "first woman" but the one whose mtDNA survived the process the longest. There easily could have been hundreds or thousands of other, and older, mtDNA lineages which did not survive.

Further, the dating does no good for your argument. Rather than 4350 years ago, the “Mitocrondrial Eve” dates to about 140,000 years ago. Interestingly, and for similar reasons of descent, the “Y-chromosomal Adam” dates to only about 60,000 years ago. (By the way, I think these dates will be refined as more information comes in. Check back in about ten years and see what the information suggests then.)

If you choose to study man's history you will find that it is fascinating! We still have much to learn, but it goes way beyond 6000 years.

201 posted on 06/11/2007 5:48:53 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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