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Think Political Parties Are Destroying America? Thank the 17th Amendment! by Todd Huston
The New Media Journal ^
| 5 june 2007
| Todd Huston
Posted on 06/05/2007 10:55:19 AM PDT by K-oneTexas
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To: rightwingextremist1776
Yep, lots of bad things came from our progressive past. The progressives were a wholly evil lot. Instead of letting people enjoy the flower of Liberty, they shown themselves as control freaks. Just as the evil left of today, the progressives hated freedom and capitalism.
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:18:13 AM PDT
by
sand88
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To: Lurker
The others are bad, but nothing went so far in destroying the last vestiges of Federalism than the 17th. Very well stated. Power definitely shifted to Washington after the 17th was passed. The evil left knows how to consolidate power. Imagine the lobbyists having to tend to numerous state legislatures. Our Republic would be better off if the 17th Amendment was repealed -- along with a few others :)
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:22:17 AM PDT
by
sand88
(q)
To: rimtop56
The article says that by using the popular vote to elect senators, the states lost their power and representation in federal government. They author is correct.
You said that the amendment destroyed the last vestige of federalism,
It did.
but federalism refers to the power being at the federal government level.
Federalism doesn't mean any such thing.
Federalism: A form of political organization in which governmental power is divided between a central government and territorial subdivisions--in the United States, among the national, state, and local governments.
L
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:23:17 AM PDT
by
Lurker
(Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
To: K-oneTexas
I've long said to anyone who'll listen, that the 17th Amendment was the worst things ever done to the Constitution. The last thing that the founders wanted was delivering a democracy, which is why they designed the government so that only 1 of the 3 branches were to be democratically elected. The 17th means that 2/3s of the government is now democratically elected.
Mark
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:25:47 AM PDT
by
MarkL
(Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
To: SJSAMPLE
The Eighteenth Amendment was the real travesty !!!
Nope, the Nineteenth was the worst one, hands down!
j/k...?
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:26:45 AM PDT
by
fr_freak
To: Lurker
There were some very good reasons why Senators weren't popularly elected.
I'm sure there were.
To: MarkL
Oops! That’s 1/2 of 1/3 - or 1/6th of the government. Now it IS 1/3 branches.
Mark
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:28:00 AM PDT
by
MarkL
(Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
To: Lurker
On the other hand, there were good reasons why it was considered a good idea at the time, above and beyond the inability of some states to decide who to send. By the time the 17th passed, most states had already passed laws that had the same effect, and the senators so elected swayed the amendment vote.
To: MarkL
The 17th means that 2/3s of the government is now democratically elected.
No, the 17th means that 1/3 is democratically elected.
President: Elected through representatives
Supreme Court: Elected through representatives
Congress: Elected by the People
One out of three = 1/3
Before the 17th, it was 1/6.
To: HaveHadEnough
Yes, I caught that and corrected myself after hitting POST.
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:33:40 AM PDT
by
MarkL
(Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
To: K-oneTexas
To: darkangel82
I would beg differ on that assessment. If the state legislatures become the appointment vehicle to the senate, the state legislature offices (senators and reps) become the critical battle ground for the parties to fight it out for the hearts and minds of the people.
Conservative states would probably have the majority of the senators appointed to Congress.
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:38:54 AM PDT
by
el_texicano
(Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all!!!)
To: oblomov
Maybe so, but the 14th, 16th, and 24th are not far behind. What was going on back then to make them so dumb?
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:46:56 AM PDT
by
bankwalker
(In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
To: Lurker
How about the 18th? Took a while to repeal but thank goodness it was.
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:47:42 AM PDT
by
beltfed308
(Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
To: K-oneTexas
“Delaware once went four years at a stretch without a Senator”
Fine by me.
To: Lurker
Far, far worse is the 14th which the U.S. Supreme Court has used to apply the BOR to the states. Every bad decision (Kelo, Roe v Wade, sodomy, freedom
from religion) now applies to the states.
Also, the 14th gave us anchor babies.
To: bankwalker
14th: martial law in the South, Reconstruction, retribution for the Southern secession
16th: “progressives” didn’t have enough revenue to build their world-saving war machine, needed more $$$
24th: on the surface, an attempt to remedy the misuse of poll taxes; in reality, a power grab by the far left
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:58:29 AM PDT
by
oblomov
To: K-oneTexas
Agreed
Scrap the 17th Ammendment!!
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posted on
06/05/2007 11:58:39 AM PDT
by
CPT Clay
(Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
To: robertpaulsen
The 14th Amendment also lead to a hyperexpansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause.
>>Also, the 14th gave us anchor babies.
The SCOTUS has never tested birthright citizenship, to my understanding.
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posted on
06/05/2007 12:00:37 PM PDT
by
oblomov
To: bankwalker
“What was going on back then to make them so dumb?”
The international banking elites pulled a behind the scenes coup d’etat in 1913 by creating the Federal Reserve Bank, instituting an income tax, and furthering a controlled democracy with the direct election of Senators.
Bankers now create money out of thin air and loan it to the government for interest. The profits go to control things behind the scenes using grants, organizations such as CFR, etc.
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posted on
06/05/2007 12:08:31 PM PDT
by
OK
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