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Lack of Women in Eastern Germany Feeds Neo-Nazis
DER SPIEGEL ^ | May 31, 2007 | ????

Posted on 05/31/2007 1:44:05 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge

A new study has found that many more women are leaving economically moribund Eastern Germany. The result is a new, frustrated and largely male underclass. And many of them find succor in the neo-Nazi scene.

The problem has been well known for years: Ever since the mid-1990s, young Eastern Germans have been fleeing the region due to a lack of economic opportunity, hoping to find jobs in the western part of the country. Some 1.5 million have already left the region -- roughly 10 percent of the population of East Germany when the Berlin Wall fell. Even worse, most of those who leave are under 35 and many of them have above average education or training.

But according to a new study released by the Berlin Institute for Population and Development, there is another problem that accompanies the migration. Since 1991, more than two-thirds of all those who have left Eastern Germany have been women. The result is that in many towns in the region, there are simply not enough to go around -- some places are missing up to 25 percent of their young women. Even worse, the young men who stay behind are often poorly educated, unemployed and frustrated -- perfect fodder for neo-Nazi groups looking for members.

Miss Eastern Germany, Svetlana Tsys, won the Miss Germany contest earlier this year. Eastern Germany is suffering from a lack of young women.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: germany; girls; morons; nazis; wwiicurse
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To: Clemenza

It’s amazing... “wearing cheesy track suits and gold chains, and blasting techno music out of their Escalades in Greenpoint/Ridgewood” americans do the same in Poland thinking they are “cool”... well... n/c


41 posted on 05/31/2007 2:23:53 PM PDT by Verdelet (Preparing for final exams... away till...)
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To: ca centered

What ocean?

42 posted on 05/31/2007 2:23:56 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Past the schoolhouse / Take it slow / Let the little / Shavers grow / BURMA-SHAVE)
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To: krb

Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that bikini top.......


43 posted on 05/31/2007 2:24:19 PM PDT by heywaitadarnminute (This post happens between 12 AM and 12 PM)
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To: ElkGroveDan

As I said. I have plenty of personal experience with those guys and therefore I do not need to read any books about the social and sexual behaviour of nazis although I read really a lot. If you would have told my grandfather i.e. (who was attracted by nazism in the 30ties and beginning 40ties), a officer of the Wehrmacht, about “pink” ideas he would have cut off your bal*s with a dull knife for sure. ;)

It is simply not true that homosexuality is a motivation to political nazism. Two different things that have nothing to do with each other.


45 posted on 05/31/2007 2:29:05 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varietate concordia!)
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To: kawaii

This was early 1945 when the last German woman won miss Germany title :))


46 posted on 05/31/2007 2:33:32 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Disambiguator
"Your description sounds very similar to what is happening in inner-city America."

Except they are not staying in inner city America. They wind up in jail where they are recruited into radical islam, and from there settle in Southern Virginia where there is a compound housing a bunch of them.

The problem with West Germany and the Nazis that Germany has now, we will have with with those islamics in the near future. Islam is to inner city "youths" what Naziism is to those East German types.

The fact that East Germans don't "get it," they aren't Christian or family oriented, they don't understand democracy should teach us something.

Why do we expect Iraqis, the Middle East, or any muslim from that area to accept democracy when it's lost even on the East Germans?

On another note, my mother is a radical feminist, so I have some experience in that area. She left to "find self-realization" when I was eight ('70). I had my "Alec Baldwin moment" in 2003 times 1000, but instead of leaving a nasty message for her on her answering machine, I simply have nothing to do with her, she wanted out so she's out. I know how angry those fellows are at being brought into the world and just dumped like trash, having no purpose. They may not even know they are angry because when you are that angry, you don't feel the anger, you are the anger. Clinical depression, absolutely epidemic among them. A lot of what they do is in response to the pain. My escape was sleep. I didn't feel it while asleep.

Thankfully I was raised by my dad who was always solid and loyal. He's the reason I got better and now have a good marriage now with a nice lady. Others aren't so lucky and have lousy dads, or have to go with the mother, or just abandoned.

Feminism is an idology dangerous to National Security, IMHO. It breeds the natural enemies of this Nation's culture, that we will have to deal with them sooner or later.

47 posted on 05/31/2007 2:33:32 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Jason_b

I wonder if it is coincidence my feminist mother is of German extraction, and her grandfather (mother’s side) kept a copy of Mein Kampf on his night table. Is it a German thing?


48 posted on 05/31/2007 2:36:22 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Tell me, how do you know who’s homosexual and who is not? And tell me again how many Nazis there were and how many you have met?

As for trying to attack me with a knife, your grandfather was probably never in a Montana bar fight. I’d have the edge in that one.


49 posted on 05/31/2007 2:36:46 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
What I have read is that the Nazis killed effeminate gays, but macho homosexuality was encouraged quietly within the SS and military. Is this bull?
51 posted on 05/31/2007 2:52:13 PM PDT by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: mnehrling

Worked for Roehm, Heines, and Roehm’s aide, Count von Spreti...


52 posted on 05/31/2007 2:53:24 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: vox_PL

correlations don’t make it a CAUSE, you newbies. Another stupid study


53 posted on 05/31/2007 2:53:39 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: ElkGroveDan
As for trying to attack me with a knife, your grandfather was probably never in a Montana bar fight. I’d have the edge in that one.

Might be. Nevertheless you should not underestimate him. He was (now he is 90 years old) a tough guy and professional soldier with class.

Tell me, how do you know who’s homosexual and who is not? And tell me again how many Nazis there were and how many you have met?

Silly question. How you you know who is homosexual and who is not? It is probably quite the same like in your country.

In the town were I live we had a local industrialist (member of the Reichstag and Obersturmbannfuehrer of the SS) who was a close friend of Himmler. After the war his factory was beefed up with gouvernment credits and he used it to give some uprooted nazis a new existance. I think he belonged to the infamous ODESSA-network. Since my granddad was a successfull pilot in WWII he had some connections to this guy since we lived in the same town. My mum joined into his factory as a secretary when she was 17. Over this contact we knew really lots of old nazis. I met many of them when I was a kid. I can not give you any numbers but we are talking about a lot.

P.S. Just to make one thing clear - I am no nazi.

54 posted on 05/31/2007 2:55:48 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varietate concordia!)
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To: krb

Bathe her, and bring her to me.


55 posted on 05/31/2007 2:57:26 PM PDT by Doc-Joe
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To: Clemenza
In the UK, they are referred to as yobs or chavs. In the US, we call them peckerwoods, but they do not comprise a significant share of the population outside of a few isolated areas. I can see how they can be a problem in Germany.
I always think of a rafting trip gone wrong and banjos playing.
You can't reason with Celtic American or Slavic Nazis. (At least an Aryan Nazis is not suicidal)

Hoenecker ruined the land of Otto Von Bismark and the Hohezerolans (sp)..
Kaiser Wilhelm II managed to screw the Hohenzollerns all by himself. He did it from the start by refusing to renew an alliance with Russia.

56 posted on 05/31/2007 3:00:53 PM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: fatez
What I have read is that the Nazis killed effeminate gays, but macho homosexuality was encouraged quietly within the SS and military. Is this bull?

Complete BS. There were some homosexual nazis in the beginning 30ties around Roehm, but they were eliminated in 1934. The SS was the most heterosexual organisation you can think about.

Homo or hetero - they were a*sholes anyway.

57 posted on 05/31/2007 3:01:23 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varietate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Many pedophiles keep their proclivities hidden and are even married.


58 posted on 05/31/2007 3:02:54 PM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: rmlew
Kaiser Wilhelm II managed to screw the Hohenzollerns all by himself. He did it from the start by refusing to renew an alliance with Russia

Wilhelm II was the outcome of genetic degeneration through inbreeding. Just like all other members of royal families. He played war with little ships in his bathtub and thought that he is a brilliant strategist. This was the reason why he screwed Germany. They should have shot him in the right time.

59 posted on 05/31/2007 3:07:52 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varietate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Isn’t most of East Germany the former Prussia/Brandenburg? If that is the case, there is less of a pre-Nazi/Communist democratic and classical liberal tradition in the region than would be the case in western and southern Germany. Prussia had a more militaristic and autocratic character than the rest of Germany, which had been divided into numerous small states prior to German unification in 1870. The residue of pre-1918 authoritarianism, plus 12 years of Nazism and 45 years of Communism, may be a better explanation for any tendency toward neo-Nazism on the part of young East Germans than any issues of sexuality.
60 posted on 05/31/2007 3:11:31 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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