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Social conservatives bite bullet, back Rudy [his backers pray]
Politico ^ | May 28, 2007 | David Paul Kuhn

Posted on 05/29/2007 6:16:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Rudy Giuliani, whose positions on abortion and homosexuality mark him as the most socially liberal Republican presidential candidate in more than a generation, is so far winning the contest for the support of social conservatives, according to a new analysis of recent polls.

Widespread perceptions that Giuliani is the most electable Republican in this year's field are driving his support among social conservatives, according to the analysis by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

If the trend holds, this apparent willingness to support a candidate who fails what were once regarded as litmus-test issues would mark a landmark shift in the political behavior of a constituency that has been a pillar of the modern GOP. Already the shift is spurring sharp debate among prominent Christian conservative leaders, some of whom warn that Giuliani backers are abandoning core principles.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; christianvote; elections; giuliani; rudy; second
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To: Wombat101

I don’t want to bother with your Catholic/Anti-Catholic twists and turns (no more than I want to bother with a Randist’s Marxist/Anti-Marxist tangles). Thankfully, I was raised free of the peculiar education you speak of. And I go by what the founders wrote.

Ask Jefferson and Adams what they meant by “we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.” They refer to Sidney and Locke, theologian-philosophers, and the others I’ve referred you to.

Nothing personal. I just don’t want to bother with trading assertions and accusations with you, preferring the aforementioned.


181 posted on 05/31/2007 8:26:46 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Wombat101

So I anticipate no more discussion. I’ve offered you what I’ve offered.


182 posted on 05/31/2007 8:28:11 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: presently no screen name

Alright smarty ;)..


183 posted on 06/04/2007 12:26:42 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: JSDude1

My response was a bit sarcastic and there was no need for it. I’m sorry.


184 posted on 06/04/2007 3:04:43 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

You are forgiven, I would never (I pray) hold a grude!


185 posted on 06/04/2007 4:53:39 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: Wombat101
agree and well stated...

After Bill Clinton Rudy will blend in nicely...this election will be won strictly from the middle...all the far left are torn because they really hate Hillary's vote on the war and Gore is a no show...and the far right are miffed that Rudy is leading the show...it will come down to the middle and in 2008 it will be a HUGE middle thanks to GW not doing his job concerning the borders and the left for being spineless terrorist appeasing worms.

2008 will not be a battle of left versus right...it will be purely the middle.

Most Americans will leave social issues at home when they vote and they will vote for the best person he is dedicated to continue the war on and against terrorists...and EVERY time we hear more about thwarted plans here in the USA...we whittle away at the left and convince more and more people that the middle will be a safe place to vote from, and at this time the middle will strongly support Rudy...the middle will elect a commander in chief not a religous leader...they want a warrior..who lives each day "never forgetting 911"...

186 posted on 06/04/2007 5:27:31 PM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

He’s a democrat. I don’t vote for democrats.


187 posted on 06/04/2007 5:33:38 PM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I think someone needs to put down the crack pipe.


188 posted on 06/04/2007 5:35:09 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: JSDude1

Thank you and I will never (I pray) do that again!


189 posted on 06/04/2007 6:42:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: antivenom

Thank you. It’s axiomatic that elections are won in the middle, so no argument there. The issue with a Giuliani bid is whether or not he can survive a skewed primary process in the first place. It is my considered opinion that he probably won’t, so this is probably all a moot point. Unfortunately, there are those convinced of their own righteousness in all things who will continue beat a dead horse because the possibility exists that Giuliani might actually change a few minds, and it is that, more than anything else, that scares the bejesus out of “conservatives”. Heretical thought always threatens them.

A Rudy Giuliani candidacy is a real threat to their quest for a return to the 1950’s and the semi-theocratic state which is probably a pre-requisite for the Rapture or whatever, and so that’s why we have these arguments.The majority of folks arguing against Rudy believe themselves to be taking a principled stand without realizing that they have far less understanding of conservatism and liberalism, and what each supposedly represents, than a dog does of arithmetic. It why they’re always unhappy, always disappointed, and forever seeking a new political messiah who never makes an appearance — the great mass in the middle restrains their worst impulses. That this force works in both directions doesn’t matter to them; only their mentally-constipated worldview matters.

In the last three years, there has been an almost indecent rush wily-nilly across the ranks of the republican party to find an “acceptible” (to the far-right only) candidate that has seen them grasp at every straw to cross their sights. Unfortunately, it seems these rushes all have one source: Ann Coulter, who first put her imprimatur upon Mike Pence, then Duncan Hunter, and now Mitt Romney. I’m waiting for Ann to change her mind again, because I know it’s coming.

And if that’s the way we choose presidential candidates today (a combination of religious and social snobbery, misunderstanding of what we’re SUPPOSED to stand for, and picking leaders on the expedient of Ann Coulter-as-political-weather-vane), well, then we deserve to lose.


190 posted on 06/05/2007 10:20:34 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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