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To: taxesareforever
Wow! We certainly must not listen to those radicals at the Discovery Institute. Sounds like they are complete wackos, unlike the evos of Darwinism./sThe following from Discovery Institute website:

Mission Statement

Discovery Institute’s mission is to make a positive vision of the future practical. The Institute discovers and promotes ideas in the common sense tradition of representative government, the free market and individual liberty. Our mission is promoted through books, reports, legislative testimony, articles, public conferences and debates, plus media coverage and the Institute’s own publications and Internet website.

Current projects explore the fields of technology, science and culture, reform of the law, national defense, the environment and the economy, the future of democratic institutions, transportation, religion and public life, government entitlement spending, foreign affairs and cooperation within the bi-national region of “Cascadia.” The efforts of Discovery fellows and staff, headquartered in Seattle, are crucially abetted by the Institute’s members, board and sponsors.

That may be what they say in public, but how about the Wedge Strategy? That document was somehow leaked. One telling passage:

We are building on this momentum, broadening the wedge with a positive scientific alternative to materialistic scientific theories, which has come to be called the theory of intelligent design (ID). Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.

Sure sounds like they are pushing religion under the guise of ID, doesn't it? What a surprise: they aren't doing science after all!

And what about replacing the philosophical approach of science (naturalism) with some new "Christian and theistic" approach?

Just think of all the existing sciences that would have to be "replaced" under such a system:

You might think this is an exaggeration, but I sure wouldn't want to do science under the Discovery Institute's "Christian and theistic" approach.
242 posted on 05/31/2007 8:12:58 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

The so-called “wedge strategy” of the Discovery Institute is really no different than the “strategy” of atheists (and communists) to use the purely naturalistic theory of evolution to promote atheism and communism. Karl Marx said so himself:

“Although it is developed in the crude English style, this [Darwin’s book On the Origin of Species] is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view.” —Karl Marx

So next time you regurgitate your crap about the “wedge strategy,” I hope you to mention this too, or you are giving only half the story. But certainly I won’t be holding my breath waiting for objectivity from you.


245 posted on 05/31/2007 9:02:12 AM PDT by RussP
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To: Coyoteman

Just to add one more point to my previous post.

The “wedge” strategy seems to really bother you when it is used by Christians, but when it is used by atheists and communists, you don’t seem to care. What the hell are you doing here on FR? I suggest you take a long hike and give a reprieve from your constant barrage of crap.


246 posted on 05/31/2007 9:06:05 AM PDT by RussP
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To: Coyoteman; RussP
"Just think of all the existing sciences that would have to be "replaced" under such a system:

Geology--those fools can't get the age of the Grand Canyon right. GONE!

Archaeology--can't find any evidence of a global flood. GONE!

Astronomy--that big bang stuff, and all those really old ages. GONE!

Genetics--all those similarities to chimps, and common descent. GONE!

Egyptology--those Egyptians didn't notice the global flood. GONE!

Planetary sciences--all those annoying facts we can't explain away. GONE!

Radiometric dating--those fools can't get the dating right either. GONE!

Biology--they started that evilution stuff and figured out how the eye developed. GONE!

Paleontology--millions of inconvenient fossils that are all fakes. GONE!

Physics--that pesky 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. GONE!

Linguistics--can't get the development of languages right. GONE!

You might think this is an exaggeration, but I sure wouldn't want to do science under the Discovery Institute's "Christian and theistic" approach."

Ah, the old, reliable fallacy of 'Appeal to Consequence of a Belief'.

And that's ignoring the fact that the 'consequences' aren't true in the first place, but don't let that get in the way of a good fallacious 'argument'.

252 posted on 05/31/2007 9:59:03 AM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: Coyoteman
You might think this is an exaggeration, but I sure wouldn't want to do science under the Discovery Institute's "Christian and theistic" approach.

But then again, you aren't seeking the TRUTH, so this is understandable.

258 posted on 05/31/2007 10:51:10 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Coyoteman; taxesareforever
"Astronomy--that big bang stuff, and all those really old ages. GONE!"

You're still whipping that dead horse?

The big bang never did work, and all the bandaids that have been stuck on it have made it a total joke. Humphreys bounded, spherical, expanded universe works without bandaids, and fits all the observable evidence. The gravitational dilation of time perfectly fits a 6000 year old universe that has expanded, and thus presents distant objects that give an illusion of great age.

Real, objective science fits god's word every time. (but since you don't do real science it wouldn't concern you)

287 posted on 05/31/2007 3:55:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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