Posted on 05/28/2007 5:44:20 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
So, who or what is the designer?
What is the difference between order and chaos?
What is number?
the time is gonna come when lots of the ID folks are
gonna build their own university, and do their
own research with own suppositions......I mean 1,000 or so
Ph.D.’s would make a formidable faculty....
The state run colleges/universities can’t stop them
from doing that.....
What is the frequency, Kenneth?
You do know the difference, in science, between a hunch, a guess, a hypothesis and a theory, don't you?
Got any scientific data supporting your suggestion?
I have news for you pal. God created physics, fluid dynamics, statics, chemistry, biology, and anything else the little mind can try to comprehend.
We were created to worship God. If you don't worship God - you will attempt to replace Him with something else - like His creation.
Or yourself.
That’s not proof.
Again, there are no scientific data supporting such a notion.
1,686,098.0644
What about it? Even random events have statistical probabilities and their frequency distributions generate a standard normal curve--if that ain't order, I don't know what is.
"Digital design of DNA:" Talk about begging the question...
He is a Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute. That is the group famous for their Wedge Strategy, which was leaked and posted on the internet.
Now, one passage from the Wedge Strategy reads,
We are building on this momentum, broadening the wedge with a positive scientific alternative to materialistic scientific theories, which has come to be called the theory of intelligent design (ID). Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.What does "science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions" mean? It sounds like somebody wants to censor scientific research where it does not agree with a particular religious belief.
I don't think that type of "science" or that type of censorship are good things, and I can imagine that the scientific community feels the same way.
Anyone who is a Senior Fellow in an anti-science group holding such a stated goal can't legitimately complain when the scientific community does not accept him with open arms. (Duh!)
Yes.
Bingo! ID better belongs in social studies, religious studies or political sciences, not the hard sciences.
I see you use the base 10, hindu-arabic system. Obviously, God loves you.
Of course, design is a difficult word/definition to pin down without an opposite - much like symbolic versus diabolic.
LOL! The argument to end all arguments eh? Shut up, I’m right and you’re going to hell.
Intelligent design is repeatedly attempting to play chess using checkers rules. If you want to play chess, you play by the rules of chess, or you aren’t playing chess, no matter how much you want others to think you are playing chess.
Science is the same way. It has very exact rules, and if you perform scientific experiments by those rules, you have performed a scientific experiment. Nothing more. It is a closed system. The problem comes when you either interpolate or extrapolate something else from a scientific experiment that is outside of the parameters of the experiment.
The only distinction science has over other studies is that if you follow the recipe of an experiment, anyone should be able to duplicate that same result, anywhere, if they follow the recipe, exactly. Adding nothing extra and taking nothing away.
And that is science. It intentionally ignores variables that might incidentally change the outcome of the experiment. This is because the vast majority of times, that strange variable won’t happen, so is not part of the recipe. If it does happen, then it is ignored, and the experiment is tried again until it makes the same predicted result that it is supposed to.
So why try to subvert the rules of chess, or science, except that you resent the clarity that both have. If you are a novice, you cannot beat a chess master if you play by the rules, so you try to change the rules. You cannot defy a scientifically conducted experiment, unless you try and alter or interfere with the recipe.
And this is why that professor was denied tenure. Because he was hired to teach and practice the very exacting rules of science. By advocating intelligent design, he as much as said that he does not follow the rules, or believe that in following the rules a scientific result will follow from a scientific experiment.
In a way, that is like a master chess player who tries to play by different rules against other chess players, because he believes in other rules. How can that be seen as other than cheating? If he does it so much as once in a formal setting, I could imagine him being stripped of his title.
Even if he is a master, he is not playing chess.
Another scholar, Dr. Michael S. Adams at UNCW, who was also denied tenor, is doing just that. PDF.file
For what you said-—”A lot of scientists propose theories that turn out to be wrong.”-—to be accurate, the professor would have to have abundant scientific data that have been repeatedly tested by himself and others before he could put forth a theory. And, as I said, there are no scientific data supportive of ID.
Not true.
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