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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

“Chinnghis Quan”

Quan
Khan
Cohen

makes you wonder...

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Fascinating stuff. Have you ever heard anything about the ancient Sumerians who apparently were quite warlike as a race? They traveled from from lower Asia and theory holds they ended up somewhere in Europe and an area of Japan. The Japanes tribe was known as the Sumeri or Sammuri.

I saw this on an archeology website one time. Have you heard anything like this?


42 posted on 05/29/2007 8:50:54 PM PDT by part deux
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To: part deux

“Fascinating stuff. Have you ever heard anything about the ancient Sumerians who apparently were quite warlike as a race? They traveled from from lower Asia and theory holds they ended up somewhere in Europe and an area of Japan. The Japanes tribe was known as the Sumeri or Sammuri.”

My understanding is that we’re not precisely sure how what the Sumerians called themselves was pronounced, so I am skeptical.

However this is an interesting website - that ancient Israelites might have made their way to Japan.

http://www5.ocn.ne.jp/~magi9/isracame.htm

This one too - relevent excerpt:

http://www.torahlearningcenter.com/jhq/question292.html

For one, a certain Japanese mythology closely resembles the Biblical chronology: The Patriarch of the Japanese nation comes down from heaven, in place of “the other” while he is preparing. [Jacob received the birthright instead of Esau, and the blessing while Esau was preparing.] The Patriarch falls in love with a beautiful woman but her father refuses unless he marries her older, less desirable sister. [Lavan prevented Jacob from marrying Rachel until he married Leah first.] The Patriarch and his desired wife have a son who is bullied by his older brother and forced to the country of a sea god. [Jacob and Rachel had Joseph who is sold by his older brothers to Egypt on the Nile.] There, he attains power with which he troubles his older brother concerning famine, but eventually forgives him. [Joseph rose to power and tried his brothers regarding the famine until he forgave them.] In the meantime, the Patriarch marries the daughter of the sea god, having a son whose 4 th son conquers Japan. [Joseph married Osnat, daughter of Potifar, and had Ephraim, whose 4 th son Joshua conquered Israel.]

Also, the Shinto festival of Ontohsai resembles the Sacrifice of Isaac. In the Biblical event, Abraham leads his son up Mount Moria and binds him as a sacrifice on a wooden altar. While the knife is in Abraham’s hand, an angel intervenes and instructs him to offer a ram in Isaac’s stead. Similarly, in the Shinto festival, a boy is led to the top of a mountain called “Moriya-san”. He is tied to a wooden beam on a bamboo carpet as a priest symbolically approaches with a knife. Then a messenger appears, the boy is released and a sacrifice provided by the “god of moriya” is offered in his stead.

Furthermore, a Shinto shrine resembles the ancient Jewish Temple. The entrance to the shrine is in the East while the shrine is in the West. There is a laver near the entrance for washing hands and feet. The shrine is comprised of a courtyard, an inner holy section, and an innermost holy of holies. The holy of holies is elevated above the holy section by stairs. Worshipers pray in front of the inner holy section, but only the priest can enter the holy of holies, and only at special times.

A Japanese Omikoshi, resembles the Ark of Covenant. It is similar in size, overlain with gold, with gold winged figures on top. It is carried on the shoulders with poles, while accompanied with song and dance. The carriers must immerse themselves beforehand, and a special ceremony whereby the bearers carry the ark through a river is reminiscent of the Biblical description of the Jews carrying the ark through the Jordan river on their way into Israel.

There are other similarities as well. The Japanese Shinto priest’s robe often has cords hanging from its corners, resembling Jewish tzitzit. Also, a certain type of Shinto priest called a yamabushi wears what’s called a token, a small black box on the forehead between the eyes, tied with a black cord behind the head. This closely resembles Jewish tefillin. Interestingly, a Shinto legend tells of a ninja who sought a certain yamabushi named Tengu in order to receive supernatural powers. Tengu gave him a “tora-no-maki”, a scroll of the torah, which gave him special powers. Also, mizura, an old Samurai hairstyle resembles Jewish side locks. A statue of a Japanese Samurai dating from the 5th century shows long, curly locks of hair in front of the ears.


43 posted on 05/29/2007 9:17:38 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Amnesty alone didn't kill the GOP - socialism did long ago. The stench you smell now is it's corpse.)
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To: part deux

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As far as I know, the ancient Japanese were known as “Wa” or “Yamato”.

It sounds similar to “samurai”, which is where I presume the association comes, but “samurai” has its own Japanes language etymology, with no relation to any particular tribal name.

Incidentally, some Korean ultranationalist revisionists have attempted to claim that their ancestors travelled southwest and became the Sumerian people, based on similarly tenuous evidence.

These are but a frightful few of the blunders made by determined amateurs in the minefield of comparitive anthropology.


47 posted on 05/29/2007 11:56:32 PM PDT by PuTiDaMo
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To: part deux
"Fascinating stuff. Have you ever heard anything about the ancient Sumerians who apparently were quite warlike as a race? They traveled from from lower Asia and theory holds they ended up somewhere in Europe and an area of Japan. The Japanes tribe was known as the Sumeri or Sammuri."

A excellent book on the subject:

Eden In The East

"A book that completetly changes the established and conventional view of prehistory by relocating the Lost Eden - the world's 1st civilisation - to SouthEast Asia. At the end of the Ice Age, SouthEast Asia formed a continent twice the size of India, which included Indochina, Malaysia, Indonesia and Borneo. The South China Sea, the Gulf of Thailand and the Java sea, which were all dry, formed the connecting parts of the continent. Geologically, this half sunken continent is the Shunda shelf or Sundaland. In the Eden in the East Stephen Oppenheimer puts forward the astonishing argument that here in southeast Asia - rather than in Mesopotamia where it is usually placed - was the lost civilisation that fertilised the Great cultures of the Middle East 6 thousand years ago. He produces evidence from ethnography, archaeology, oceanography, from creation stories, myths and sagas and from linguistics and DNA analysis, to argue that this founder civilisation was destroyed by a catastrophic flood, caused by a rapid rise in the sea level at the end of the last ice age."

57 posted on 06/10/2007 5:56:45 AM PDT by blam
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