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1 posted on 05/25/2007 12:39:14 PM PDT by dennisw
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36 posted on 05/25/2007 2:21:53 PM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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37 posted on 05/25/2007 2:36:31 PM PDT by teldon30 (disgruntled 2nd class)
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Some on that get this... ... I'm be saying this forever..Why the elites on our side support this...The average American citizen is to dam "uppity" for the elite's.. they want peon that know there place... it not race.. it class... upper class need a peon lower class that know it... they envy the third world power structure... the enemy is the middle class-- IE the freeman that nether rules/owns others or is ruled/owned by others

While Democratic legislators we spoke with welcomed the Latino vote, they seemed more interested in those immigrants and their offspring as a tool to increase the role of the government in society and the economy. Several of them tended to see Latin American immigrants and even Latino constituents as both more dependent on and accepting of active government programs and the political class guaranteeing those programs, a point they emphasized more than the voting per se. Moreover, they saw Latinos as more loyal and "dependable" in supporting a patron-client system and in building reliable patronage networks to circumvent the exigencies of political life as devised by the Founding Fathers and expected daily by the average American. Republican lawmakers we spoke with knew that naturalized Latin American immigrants and their offspring vote mostly for the Democratic Party, but still most of them (all except five) were unambiguously in favor of amnesty and of continued mass immigration (at least from Mexico). This seemed paradoxical, and explaining their motivations was more challenging. However, while acknowledging that they may not now receive their votes, they believed that these immigrants are more malleable than the existing American: That with enough care, convincing, and "teaching," they could be converted, be grateful, and become dependent on them. Republicans seemed to idealize the patron-client relation with Hispanics as much as their Democratic competitors did. Curiously, three out of the five lawmakers that declared their opposition to amnesty and increased immigration (all Republicans), were from border states.

39 posted on 05/25/2007 2:48:21 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Al-Qaidacrats =A new political party combining the anti American left and the anti Semite right)
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Bottom line this will guarentee bigger government spending and a bigger voting base for it on the Democrates side. The GOP will benifit only through big business in the form of cheap labor. Some thing for everyone accept the American people! I for one have had enough! These are our representatives we elected and they are pandering to everyone and forgetting who put them there.This will be a very interesting presidential election come 2008 and beyond BEFOREWARNED OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU CROSSED THE LINE WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! REMEMBER? “WE THE PEOPLE” YOU WILL, WHEN YOUR TURN IS UP AND YOU ARE LOOKING OUR WAY FOR SUPPORT! hope you have a second career in mind!


40 posted on 05/25/2007 3:06:25 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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So basically we need to shoot our politicians and nuke Mexico City.


47 posted on 05/25/2007 5:25:44 PM PDT by dljordan
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Very interesting analysis and probably spot on.


48 posted on 05/25/2007 5:50:13 PM PDT by Gritty (Our government is failing us in this fight and this time, if we lose, we lose it all - Frank Salvato)
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CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

49 posted on 05/25/2007 6:34:55 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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Kudos to you dennis, for posting this.

This is the most insightful essay I have rad on the real engine that is pushing the Amnesty train.

. So far, the immigration debate has centered on the immigrants themselves—whether they are worthy or unworthy. This debate is a red herring, since average Americans are unusually kind and restrained in the face of mass immigration, something that cannot be said about other nations (including Mexico).17 Recent poll findings from Zogby challenge the popular belief that the average American somehow has negative or overtly prejudicial feelings toward Mexicans in particular.18 However, Huntington did not take into account the possibility that the debate could yet be framed in terms of potential usurpation from the political class using immigration as a tool. If an organizeable mass of Americans comes to suspect that mass immigration from Latin America is being used by the political class to undermine their democracy and as a tool to liberate the political elites from the Jeffersonian and Madisonian constraints, then indeed we may witness a reaction—but hopefully not against the immigrants themselves, as they are also objects of elite manipulations in more than one country.

53 posted on 05/25/2007 8:07:39 PM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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Bumpity for later.


58 posted on 05/25/2007 8:37:10 PM PDT by FoxInSocks
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An outstanding, incisive and chilling analysis.


59 posted on 05/25/2007 8:39:24 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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Overall a very good article. Even so, I can't believe that the writer doesn't understand that America isn't a democracy of any kind, it's a Republic! The only place where any democratic principal (majority rule) comes into play is in Congress.

The Founding Fathers also prescribed a cure for usurpation. Hopefully the American people will not apply it so literally, for the sake of those legislators.
Those legislators already know that the patience of the American people is starting to wear awfully thin.
The ball is in their court and they shouldn't double dribble.

60 posted on 05/26/2007 12:00:37 AM PDT by philman_36
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ping


62 posted on 05/26/2007 12:26:59 AM PDT by TheInvisibleMan
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Excellent. BTTT


65 posted on 05/26/2007 7:22:09 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: dennisw; gubamyster; HiJinx; hedgetrimmer; Liz
While Democratic legislators we spoke with welcomed the Latino vote, they seemed more interested in those immigrants and their offspring as a tool to increase the role of the government in society and the economy. Several of them tended to see Latin American immigrants and even Latino constituents as both more dependent on and accepting of active government programs and the political class guaranteeing those programs, a point they emphasized more than the voting per se. Moreover, they saw Latinos as more loyal and "dependable" in supporting a patron-client system and in building reliable patronage networks to circumvent the exigencies of political life as devised by the Founding Fathers and expected daily by the average American.

Republican lawmakers we spoke with knew that naturalized Latin American immigrants and their offspring vote mostly for the Democratic Party, but still most of them (all except five) were unambiguously in favor of amnesty and of continued mass immigration (at least from Mexico). This seemed paradoxical, and explaining their motivations was more challenging. However, while acknowledging that they may not now receive their votes, they believed that these immigrants are more malleable than the existing American: That with enough care, convincing, and "teaching," they could be converted, be grateful, and become dependent on them. Republicans seemed to idealize the patron-client relation with Hispanics as much as their Democratic competitors did. Curiously, three out of the five lawmakers that declared their opposition to amnesty and increased immigration (all Republicans), were from border states.

It's about staying in power and creating a class of serfs.

66 posted on 05/26/2007 7:23:20 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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The familiar reasons usually discussed by the critics were there: Democrats wanted increased immigration because Latin American immigrants tend to vote Democrat once naturalized

once naturalized.......???......are they waiting?

67 posted on 05/26/2007 7:30:44 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: FrogHawk

Must Read...


68 posted on 05/26/2007 7:50:35 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: Valin; AIM-54

Come read this about pubs, dems and illegals.


72 posted on 05/26/2007 8:33:25 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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Usurpation, yes, but FedGov has been working in this direction since the Civil War. The XIVth Amend is the new foundation. Eventually the goal of ownership of the entire North American continent will be realized. Also, the USA once considered S America also part of its natural domain and that idea may still be alive in some of the murky sub-basements of various Offices.


74 posted on 05/26/2007 8:39:32 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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bump for later read


75 posted on 05/26/2007 8:40:29 AM PDT by Varda
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Great article. Politicians hate the limitations on their power that the Constitution and American people demand. They need to import a more docile electorate who accepts corruption in exchange for handouts.


78 posted on 05/26/2007 9:13:42 AM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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