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After Falwell, evangelicals at crossroads (younger generation ok with same sex marriage)
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| May 22, 2007
| Alan Cooperman
Posted on 05/22/2007 7:38:57 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Let's not be so gullible as to believe the liberal media.
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posted on
05/23/2007 12:37:26 PM PDT
by
unspun
(What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
To: Unknown Pundit
empower the state to punish people for sinful behaviors, making the state's police powers the answer to sin and degradation,
I agree w/you. It's the churches job to instruct, etc. and not the government's job to police.
However, there is a difference between sinning and repenting immediately (saved) and living a lifestyle of sin (unsaved).
To: massgopguy
That is indeed their plan.
Indoctrinate the young and kick off the old.
No wonder they hate school choice and homeschooling and favor euthanasia.
103
posted on
05/23/2007 8:48:23 PM PDT
by
WOSG
(The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
To: Fractal Trader
Pretty good explanation - except I think that Thomas Road is an Independent Baptist - not Southern Baptist as Page.
Independent’s aren’t really a “denomination” as such .. though the Southern Baptist Convention is a VERY loose denomination where local churches have a LOT automony..
I’ve been a member of both - the Independent are very much unto their own.. no one over riding Association.
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posted on
05/23/2007 9:09:32 PM PDT
by
pamlet
To: NYer; All
Those poll results seem off.
I am surrounded by young evangelicals, and not one supports gay marriage.
The young evangelicals don’t beat gays over the head, but they aren’t okay with gay marriage, either.
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posted on
05/23/2007 9:13:03 PM PDT
by
rwfromkansas
(http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
To: NYer
Of course, I guess I should say that since Rick Warren and his heretic friends are screwing up evangelicalism as it is, who knows what the trend will be in terms of gay marriage. Warren and pals are extremely dangerous and would not know the true gospel if it hit them in the ass.
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posted on
05/23/2007 9:16:39 PM PDT
by
rwfromkansas
(http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
To: NYer
This is a site that does a good job of trying to sort out what going on in this post modern church world.
http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/
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posted on
05/23/2007 9:28:40 PM PDT
by
Biblebelter
(I can't believe people still watch TV with the sound on.)
To: presently no screen name
However, there is a difference between sinning and repenting immediately (saved) and living a lifestyle of sin (unsaved). No doubt. Something else to consider in all this is that sin has its own "rewards" and they usually aren't all that rewarding. While some folks are happy in their sin, at least for a time, usually in the long run they aren't or won't be. It seems that many Christians seem to forget this.
Illicit sex can lead to a string of shallow, meaningless relationships, heavy drug use and addiction can lead a person to ruin in several different ways, gambling addiction can lead to financial ruin, etc. They all provide immediate gratification in some way, but usually aren't excessively harmful if indulgence is limited and/or controlled. It's when vices become habits/addictions that the "rewards" really begin to manifest themselves in problematic ways.
When we have laws punishing people under various aspects of these behaviors, the law is merely "piling on" another level of problems to people or in many cases is the biggest problem that person has had to date regarding the vice. While some people whose lives may already be wrecked because of their excessive vices might eventually benefit from the state intervention in the long run, most are just merely hurt by the state's intervention in ways far more injurious than their vices have been. For instance, the casual drug user whose not an addict can have his life radically altered for the worse because of a drug arrest, while the over-the-edge hard-core addict might benefit from state imposed discipline in rehab.
To: Unknown Pundit
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Baptist ping...
I don’t know about yall but they never call me when they poll!
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posted on
05/24/2007 10:13:04 AM PDT
by
tutstar
(Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
To: wideawake
Either there is a problem with this poll's methodology, or there is a problem with evangelicalism, or both.
I suspect the methodology, but there are problems in evangelicalism. I've watched Rick Warren these past few years go from a staunch conservative Christian to something a little more reminescent of activist based churches and seeker sensitive churches, and this is not a change for the better. In fact, I've never been comfortable with the entire mega church movement. It's a lot of style, but many lack substance.
I'm also a little disappointed with Page, the new leader of my own denomination. He may be a fine man, but I'm not looking for a kinder, gentler kind of teaching. I want someone unafraid to speak the truth. My old pastor at my church when I got saved was just such a man. Everyone in town hated him because he would tell it like it was without sugar coating it. We need more men like him.
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posted on
05/24/2007 10:26:03 AM PDT
by
JamesP81
(Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
To: cdcdawg
It sounds like Rev. Page is making a huge mistake. He is allowing the opposition to define what a Baptist preacher is. Tell me that statement above doesnt sound like he is seeking approval from the world. Maybe it is just that he has a different way of spreading the Gospel than Mr. Falwell, but it doesnt sound good. John the Baptist was pretty narrow-minded when it came to Herods living arrangements.
I agree. We need strong willed, unbending men of character to tell the truth as it is and not sugar coat it.
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posted on
05/24/2007 10:27:18 AM PDT
by
JamesP81
(Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
To: TonyRo76
Well said and succinctly put, my FRiend.
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posted on
05/24/2007 10:28:03 AM PDT
by
JamesP81
(Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
To: NYer
(younger generation ok with same sex marriage)Maybe some. The Christian kids aren't.
114
posted on
05/24/2007 10:37:27 AM PDT
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: Sloth
Government should not be in the business of regulating adult sexual relationshipsI think when there is a compelling societal interest, they should. A society that abandons the traditional one man, one woman for life marriage idea finds itself slowing rotting away from the insides. We can look at the U.S. and see it for ourselves.
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posted on
05/24/2007 10:39:53 AM PDT
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: Unknown Pundit
When we have laws punishing people under various aspects of these behaviors, the law is merely "piling on" another level of problems to people or in many cases is the biggest problem that person has had to date regarding the vice. While some people whose lives may already be wrecked because of their excessive vices might eventually benefit from the state intervention in the long run, most are just merely hurt by the state's intervention in ways far more injurious than their vices have been. For instance, the casual drug user whose not an addict can have his life radically altered for the worse because of a drug arrest, while the over-the-edge hard-core addict might benefit from state imposed discipline in rehab.I believe you are thinking way too narrowly about the consequences and even the vice, for that matter. The consequences are nearly always shared by a circle of people around the person-of-vice. And in nearly every case, the guilt is not just one person guilt. The legal problems of the recreational drug user has as much to do with the producer and seller of the drugs as it has to do with the end user. You have to make it tough on the end user, the easier guy to catch, so that you can find and stop the bigger problem -- the dealer.
An abuser doesn't start as an abuser. And never ever are the consequences only his to bear. You have to hope he doesn't drive or operate machinery under the influence. You have to hope he doesn't beat or neglect his children and other family members. You have to hope he doesn't break the law with violent behavior or destruction of property or theft. You have to hope he is holding down his employment obligations so that he doesn't become a welfare issue. On and on and on and on. Those who want to legalize all drugs tend to put blinders on. They also assume control is adequately maintained when a person chooses to hand over the healthy functions of his brain to some controling substance. But by definition the individual has freely given up control.
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posted on
05/24/2007 10:43:50 AM PDT
by
The Ghost of FReepers Past
(Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
To: NYer
Just because false prophets tug in one direction doesn’t mean that Christians will move that way.
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posted on
05/24/2007 11:31:14 AM PDT
by
chesley
(Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
To: Sloth
Not the Baptists. In the SBC goes that way, churches will withdraw. If the local church goes that way, members will start a new church.
Baptists won’t have the problems that the Episcopalians do, each church owns its own property and is totally independent of the others and of the convention.
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posted on
05/24/2007 11:36:01 AM PDT
by
chesley
(Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
To: NYer
the MSM is trying to form the evangelical movement in their image.
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posted on
05/24/2007 12:06:21 PM PDT
by
Sensei Ern
(http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - Ann Coulter is My Press Secretary)
To: NYer
Just goes to show you that many in the church today do not read their Bibles, do not know God, and are probably not even saved by the blood of Jesus Christ.
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