Posted on 05/17/2007 10:16:31 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
But the main point is that they have already imposed themselves on us - we NOW have to deal with the issues you outlined above.
I mean, this isn't idle speculation circa 1935 as we gaze over the southern border. This is our collective reality in the here & now. A significant % of their population are already here and are going to be absorbed in some way, shape or form.
We might as well go hog and claim the entire pot; otherwise, we'll lose a slow war of attrition.
My concern is about the U.S. being Mexicanized instead of Mexico being Americanized.
Another poster pointed out the problems involved in Annexation. It would have been SOOOOOOO much simpler if had just annexed it right after the Mexican War. Santa Ana wasn’t very popular and the population wasn’t as great.
I think that right now about 10% of Mexico is in the U.S., but its beyond me how anyone can even approximate these figures given the masses who have invaded the southern border and their obvious unwillingness to be counted.
These are all good points and serious problems should annexation be considered.
The Bushes simply aren’t cast in conservative molds and are really northeastern limousine liberals like Nelson Rockefeller, Keating and Javits were. Just because they live in Texas doesn’t make them Texans.
Does this bill require documented z-visa people to get social security numbers? Once a person gets a z-visa, will they be required to fill out W-4's and report their income, pay FICA, and all that?
If so, then they will no longer be the "low wage" workers that they are now. If "the jobs that Americans won't do" pay so low because employers weren't paying FICA and unemployment taxes on their wages, will that change now that people are "legal" and "documented?" Will they be required to be paid the federal minimum wage with all the required deductions? Will this actually put newly documented worker into a worse off position in terms of net income?
In other words, will this dry up the underground cash economy that the illegal aliens are a part of now?
No it will create a new market for more illegals. And the illegals who become legals will be able to avail themselves to all the benefits our social welfare systems have to offer.
I feel your pain.
I, personally, convenced 3 people to vote Republican. They are now asking me to explain developements since 2004. Frankly, I cannot.
-PJ
I think we have a significantly larger portion than 10% of Mexico's population. All reports from MX suggest that wholesale villages are being emptied out throughout the country. Add in chain migration, and we've got one of the largest immigration events in the history of mankind.
They all moved here because of the system of laws that we have which created our legal protections, political rights & commercial environment. This way of life is replicated wherever it is adopted (S Korea) or imposed (Ger/Jap).
US government presence/control in MX will Americanize them faster than they can 'Mexicanize' us.
“Deal struck on immigration bill (in the Senate, now over to the House for action)”
Can someone explain....this has not yet been voted on in the Senate, has it?
There are provisions. Whether they will be enforced is another matter. My point is that they will get SS numbers, which will make them eligible for benefits for themselves and their families. Once their status is legalized, which is immediately according to the bill, they will be legally entitled to all of the various social welfare benefits and programs, including such things as Earned Income Credits, uUnemployment benefits, Medicaid, disabilty payments, food stamps, etc.
Once they are treated like American citizens, there will be a new crop of illegals who will take their place just like what happened in 1986.
There will be a Senate debate next week, and then a vote.
The cart got stuck ahead of the horse by the media and those with a clear and present dangerous agenda.
Today in WorldnetDaily, via the Houston Chronicle, is a short but powerful list of the provisions of this monstorsity. It gives you point by point what the Bill says. If posters use this list when writing Congress, they can actually know what they are talking about!!
Personally, I tend to agree with you as long as the bi-lingual crap is cut out or kept to a minimum. Immigrants from countries who speak languages not even remotely related to English have no porblem or issue speaking it, e.g. China, Japan, Arabic Countries, etc. I don’t think Mexicans are less intelligent than them. Even if you don’t speak Spanish some words are so similar to English that you make a good guess about what they mean.
But if you read the responses to the idea you proposed, not everyone agrees with us.
Mexico has a great shoreline, great resort potential ( could draw tourists from all over the world, oil, natural resources, a work force - if provided with American capital, laws and direction, both the Mexicans and Americans would win out.
(Look at Siberia - a frozen wasteland - underpopulated and poor. Americans would have turned it into one of the greatest winter sports attractions in world history. Its amazing what free enterprize and profit incentive can produce with the right materials.)
runfredrunfredrunfredrunfredrunfredrunfred!
Agreed, Bush Uno was no conservative and a New England Republican. And Bush Dos, well he also has indicated that he is no conservative either.
But onwards to the battle. An email to Senator Kyl, the first of many to the future defunct Republican Party:
Dear Senator:
Do you think providing tens of millions of uneducated non-English speaking people and their families $2.2 trillion in services will make the nation stronger and the Republican Party more popular?
I don’t.
Do you think that overlooking for how many times now since 1986 the lack of enforcement of our laws and sovereignty will now produce a better outcome?
I don’t.
Do you think you will go down as the person who saved the Republic or doomed it with wishful thinking on rules that will be subverted much like the fence approval last year that has not been implemented.
I see the latter.
Senator, you are failing to honor and uphold the Constitution. You are empowered as a representative of our federal government to uphold it and OUR LAWS.
You are not empowered to destroy the fabric of our nation and its future by providing for untold millions to come here who have no chance to assimilate, no change to fit into our economic framework and who will cause huge hardships on numerous American families who will no longer be paid a reasonable wage.
Or is that the goal for those who live in the gated communities in John Edwards’ two Americas?
You want to turn this nation into a feudal society like much of Latin America of extreme wealth and extreme poverty? Then this is the exact prescription to bring it about.
And exactly how do you join in announcing legislation unwritten, undebated, and undiscussed without even allowing the American citizen to see it in black and white before subverting the foundation of our Founders, while soldiers are fighting and dying in the field to defend our national security?
The first destruction you will bring will be upon the Republican Party. But joining the Whigs will be nothing compared to the disdain for a group of legislators that betrayed the foundations of our nation and its citizenry.
We will not sit back, we will not be lambs and we will not watch this nation sacked from within.
Regards,
Okay jveritas, we will ask for your banning. But not before you are made a citizen of the US, honored for your contributions and then given an award for your efforts on behalf of the nation.
The ban will be in place for one hour and a thread will be opened to allow folks to express their gratitude.
You will not be permitted to join in until after we have our fill.
Kind regards,
Senator Kyl is a real disappointment.
I wonder if Jorge and Alberto blackmailed him.
He was on TV a while ago with the minutemen supporting strong border defenses avidly. His heart CAN’T possibly be in this.
He may be misguided. Our job is to bring him to the light.
By the sheer force of our logic and numbers.
Fine with me :)
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