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To: Rodney King
What is the big deal here? Wisconsin has been running checks on 41/I94 at the border for years every Saturday night just trying to catch drunks and I do not know about you but I do not want any drunks on my roads.

Oh and try driving between Tucson and Mexican border towns they all have check points hell they even have some rolling units just to catch illegals which is a good thing NO? Or are you naysayers saying illegals are a Good thing for the US? I did not think so enough said.

29 posted on 05/15/2007 3:53:06 PM PDT by Shots (Loose lips sink ships)
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To: Shots

Why do they just have Check points anyway? Why not French points, English points, German points, etc? Go figure....! :0 )


32 posted on 05/15/2007 4:00:48 PM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Shots
What is the big deal here?

You're fine with being pulled over and constantly searched? Since you have nothing to hide, right?

34 posted on 05/15/2007 4:05:32 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Shots

Drunk drivers are erratic. Erratic driving gives the LEO probable cause to search a vehicle. I’ve got no problem with that. But if a LEO decides to “safety check” a vehicle just because he feels like it, that’s unconstitutional, and I’ve about had it up to HERE with the erosion of my rights.
Whatever happened to being secure in our persons, houses, papers and effects?


40 posted on 05/15/2007 4:21:06 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Shots
Oh and try driving between Tucson and Mexican border towns they all have check points hell they even have some rolling units just to catch illegals which is a good thing NO? Or are you naysayers saying illegals are a Good thing for the US? I did not think so enough said.

I've been through those... they ask who's in the car, and then let you go. Nothing at all like the above-mentioned BS.

49 posted on 05/15/2007 4:37:26 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: Shots

It’s called reasonable suspicion. You are supposed to be secure in your person and your papers, unless law enforcement has reasonable suspicion. In that case, they can do a pat down for weapons for their own safety.

To search your car, they need at least reasonable suspicion, because normally they would need a search warrant, which requires probable cause for a search, a much higher standard of evidence that a crime has been committed. To get a search warrant, they have to show cause to a judge, and the judge has to sign it.

For cars, the LEO can site ‘exigent circumstances’, that being that if they stopped to get a warrant, that the perp could drive off and destroy the evidence or something of that nature.

In that case, with cars, they will drive you to a police station, put you in lock up, and then get the warrant anyway, since they can put you in the can for 24 hours without charging you with a crime.

So, in short, the 4th amendment to the constitution is the big deal here. What these blue staters are perpetrating here is just a violation of black-letter law, and they themselves should be arrested for it.


50 posted on 05/15/2007 4:38:05 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: Shots

There’s this little thing called The Constitution which once upon a time(yes, I realize it’s become a fairy tail these days) rightly limited police powers.

The police neither have the right to my time nor my identity if I’m not in the process of committing a criminal act. My time, my name and the contents of my vehicle are none of his bloody business.

Instead of doing police work, they set up these revenue generation stops to both steal my time and violate my privacy by sticking their noses into my business and parade their narcotics dogs around and around my car praying the dog doesn’t miss the sit command from it’s handler.

The “big deal” is it’s wrong and everyone who values freedom should be raising hell about this and every other abuse of our rights under color of law.


54 posted on 05/15/2007 4:51:17 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Shots
You clearly do not understand the limits of the Govnmt to do these kinds of stops. Try:USFF.com for an education.
67 posted on 05/15/2007 6:12:22 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (NSDQ)
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