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To: GingisK
Physics is just the way things work.

All that is wonderful, but my response was to your assertion that it was impossible for billbears' car to get better gas mileage at 70 than at 55. You just rebutted your own argument.

By the way, mechanics is just the way things work, physics is the rules. Mechanics allow me to have a car that gets better gas mileage at 70 or 90 than at 55.

304 posted on 05/15/2007 6:52:59 PM PDT by NCSteve (Trying to take something off the Internet is like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.)
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To: NCSteve
You just rebutted your own argument.

No, I clarified the argument. I indicated that drag at 70 is only 1.6 times the drag at 55. At 110, the drag is 8 times as much as for 55 mph. These high performance engines are tuned for the higher speeds, and that is why they get poor milage at lower speeds. Air drag is not the controlling issue at lower speeds. Fuel economy WILL NOT increase as higher speeds are attained. Do you disagree with that? (Otherwise, you'd be able to get 60 miles per gallon at 200 mph.)

Mechanics allow me to have a car that gets better gas mileage at 70 or 90 than at 55.

Physics prohibits your claim at higher speed. No amount of mechanical ingenuity will defeat the increase in drag as the velocity increases. Ordinary friction does not increase with velocity. Air drag increases with the CUBE of velocity.

What do you suppose limits the speed of cars? The correct answer is "air drag". If you have a different answer, please enlighten us. Shape and profile rules change once you go supersonic, but the drag is still based on the cube of velocity.

You cannot win your case. This is just fact.

315 posted on 05/15/2007 7:12:34 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: NCSteve

I’ve got to correct one issue that developed in my older brain. Drag is related to the SQUARE of velocity rather than the CUBE. The end result is the same, however: speed of a car is limited primarily by drag.


319 posted on 05/15/2007 7:21:08 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: NCSteve

Here is a nice site: http://www.atmosphere.mpg.de/enid/Information_ss/Velocity___air_drag_507.html


320 posted on 05/15/2007 7:23:56 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: NCSteve; GingisK
All that is wonderful, but my response was to your assertion that it was impossible for billbears' car to get better gas mileage at 70 than at 55. You just rebutted your own argument

Various cars have various optimum speeds. Just about all cars get better mileage at 50 mph than they do at 10 mph. The optimum speed depends on the engine, transmission, and aerodynamics

352 posted on 05/16/2007 5:45:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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