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The problem in Florida is that not only is there an idiot 2 tiered (or multitiered to be more accurate) property tax system, but that it was put in place through a constitutional amendment.

Florida's constitution is far too easy to amend, some amendments getting on the ballot because of large amounts of money and time spent by outside the state interests. The kicker here is that although the SOH (Save Our Homes) amendment was easy to pass, it would be nearly impossible to remove by the same process. Why? Because the homeowners that are paying 1/4 the property taxes that newer home owners are paying would never vote to raise their own taxes by a factor of at least 2.

Even though I benefited from it when I lived there, having owned my home for more than 25 years, it is a crime for two identical homes, side by side, to have one paying $800 and the other $2800 in yearly property taxes. Uh, yeah, the $800 was me.

1 posted on 05/14/2007 6:14:03 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s
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I've always hated the property tax, but every proposal they make here (PA) to change it is half-assed and/or results in an increase in my taxes.

There's a ballot question tomorrow, asking if we want to institute a 1% income tax in exchange for lowering property taxes. I'm voting no. If it passes, we'll still have a property tax PLUS another income tax. And I'll end up paying more in total.

If they want me to support any change, it has to result in me either paying the same thing I'm paying now or less. They already spend PLENTY on schools (which I don't even use - my kids go to Catholic school). Until they change the SPENDING also, there will continue to be a TAX problem.

Another factor with moving from a local property tax to a state sales tax is distribution of dollars. The big cities are salivating over getting suburban money to pour into their rat-hole schools.

45 posted on 05/14/2007 8:00:48 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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Nobody would be too concerned about the form of taxation (sales, income, property) if it were not for the amount. Changing the tax structure just moves around the liability of confiscatory tax levels.


57 posted on 05/14/2007 8:55:14 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Well new home owners pay more in California than long time homeowners but it keeps property taxes predictable since future increases cannot exceed 2% a year. They're capped. The disparity exists only when people sell and move frequently. If you're someone who puts down roots, you benefit in the long run.

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64 posted on 05/14/2007 9:42:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Florida's got a real problem there. My mother is wanting to move to a somewhat smaller home there, but doesn't want to leave the one she's in now due to the large tax increase she'd endure if she moved because of this tax situation. She's now enjoying a somewhat reasonable property tax level at her home of 6 years. Due to property value inflation, she'd pay about double at the new place.

There's nothing wrong with her old house other than it's a bit too large for two people, and she's not as young as she once was. My sister and I have encouraged her to stay put at least until this tax issue is resolved.

75 posted on 05/15/2007 4:22:06 AM PDT by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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The kicker here is that although the SOH (Save Our Homes) amendment was easy to pass, it would be nearly impossible to remove by the same process.

Interestingly, the "Save Our Homes" constitutional amendment was BARELY passed by a few percentage points!

When it passed, a 50+% standard applied for constitutional amendments. The requirement is now 60+% for passage of constitutional amendments....

78 posted on 05/15/2007 4:37:42 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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Only $2800 a year in property taxes. I'll take that deal.

Ours was just over $12,000 in NJ. And that's on top of Federal and State Income taxes.

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85 posted on 05/15/2007 5:49:28 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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Because the homeowners that are paying 1/4 the property taxes that newer home owners are paying would never vote to raise their own taxes by a factor of at least 2.

It would be equally unfair to keep induce foreclosures by raising the taxes on existing homes in step with bubble-driven increases in assessed valuation after purchase. For his reason Florida implemented the same system that California enacted some years ago: taxes are are marked up the current market value only when a home is sold; thereafter, yearly increased are held to a small fixed percentage.

92 posted on 05/15/2007 10:23:50 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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Property taxes should be tied to something other than the assessed value of the property, as that varies due to entirely different influences than tax revenue needs do.

It would make much more sense, IMO, to base taxes on something more closely related to the actual burden the property places on the city's resources. Taxing by land area, number of residents, or some combination of the two would make more sense, IMO. Apartments and trailer parks and their residents, for example, place a disproportionately high burden on the police force of a city when compared to single-family, permanent homes and their residents.

Unfortunately, we in America have become accustomed to the idea that only "progressive" taxation is "fair"--the "rich" are supposed pay more than the "poor"--so there's always infuriated screeching when other approaches are raised.

94 posted on 05/15/2007 12:40:32 PM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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Just curious, what happens when you build an addition to your house? Does that allow the County to re-access your house at current market prices?
96 posted on 05/15/2007 12:46:02 PM PDT by az_illini (Why? Why? Why are there no flying cars? We were promised flying cars.)
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98 posted on 05/15/2007 12:49:26 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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CA has the same thing.

Am I wrong or is this basically the blind greed of a baby boomer generation?


105 posted on 05/15/2007 1:02:37 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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The kicker here is that although the SOH (Save Our Homes) amendment was easy to pass, it would be nearly impossible to remove by the same process. Why? Because the homeowners that are paying 1/4 the property taxes that newer home owners are paying would never vote to raise their own taxes by a factor of at least 2.

Why can't they just lower all the property taxes to the lowest tier? Oooh, that would make too much sense.

106 posted on 05/15/2007 1:03:42 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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I agree with the article in principle, but I'm calling BS on this part:

"My father's property taxes are $2,300 a year, where if I buy the house next door, mine would be $16,000," he marvels. "I hate to say it's not fair, but it's not fair."

That's more than my entire mortgage, taxes and insurance on my $190,000 home.

107 posted on 05/15/2007 1:07:39 PM PDT by T.Smith
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Locals can control local taxes to a degree. At the same time, locals demand gov’t services, so while those who want lower taxes might not be the same ones who want more services there is the chance for interesting elections.


123 posted on 05/22/2007 4:13:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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All this squabbling over how to shift the burden around is exactly what the government wants. It ignores the problem that the burden is way too high.


129 posted on 05/22/2007 6:13:44 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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