REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN TAKE IT TO BUSH (Iraq war - RINOs join the Dem coup attempt)

Drudge Report.com ^ | May 09 2007 | staff

[kellynla]

TIM RUSSERT, NBC NIGHTLY NEWS: Brian, all eyes on the Republican party. How long will they support the president's position on the Iraq War? Yesterday may have been a defining, pivotal moment.

At two-thirty in the afternoon, in the private quarters of the White House, the Solarium Room, eleven Republican congressmen had a private meeting with the president, the secretary of defense, the secretary of state, the chief political advisor Karl Rove, and the White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, and others.

This delegation was headed by Mark Kirk of Illinois and Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania. It was, in the words of one of the participants, the most unvarnished conversation they've ever had with the president.

Another member has said he has met with three presidents and never been so candid. They told the president, and one said, quote, "My district is prepared for defeat. We need candor, we need honesty, Mr. President."

The president responded, "I don't want to pass this off to another president. I don't want to pass this off, particularly, to a democratic president," underscoring he understood how serious the situation was.

Brian, the Republican congressmen went on to say, "The word about the war and its progress cannot come from the White House or even you, Mr. President. There's no longer any credibility. It has to come from General Petraeus.

The meeting lasted an hour and fifteen minutes, and was, in the words of one, " remarkable for the bluntness, and no holds barred honesty and the message delivered by all these Republican congressmen.

BRIAN WILLIAMS: And Tim...how did the president react and how did this then affect the instructions for VP Cheney heading off to Iraq?

RUSSERT: One congressman said, "How can our daughters and sons spill their blood while the Iraqi parliament goes on vacation? The president responded, "The Vice President is over there to tell them, 'Do not go on vacation.'"

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[Rutles4Ever]

Here's the deal: if we loose the WOT, we're dead. Not just "dead" as in "Oh no! Our life is really hard now!" but DEAD as in "assume room temprature" dead. All of us. Or hundreds of millions of us.

If that's the case, you should be positively enraged that we're not dismantling Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, which are the breeding swamps of terrorism and the nerve centers of Wahbbism today. Winning in Iraq is great, but it's not going to matter when a bunch of Islamofascists fashioning a nuclear weapon in Pakistan light up Miami Beach during the victory parade.

[Cyropaedia]

Remember, it was Pakistan, not Afganistan that was the actual birthplace of the Taliban. God help us if something happens to Musharraf.

[PEACE ENFORCER]

I would definatly send the 100 thousand troops to Iran. :)

[outofstyle]

if nothing changes in Iraq, the GOP is going to be wiped out in 2008. Hillary - or Obama, or whoever the Dems nominate - will be president and the Dems will have huge majorities in Congress.

I think that you may be correct. There are no easy solutions. The President's goal of a secular and democratic Iraq cannot be met in time. Maybe the best that can be hoped for is for Israel to preemptively attack Iran's nuke sites. Iran would retaliate and we could "redeploy," strike Iran, and then get out of town.

[freedomdefender]

The President's goal of a secular and democratic Iraq cannot be met in time.

The president's goal may be a democratic Iraq, but it's not a secular Iraq. The constitution that we signed off on makes Islam the "source" of law. In contrast, Saddam ran a secular (albeit tyrannical) government.

[ex-snook]

You want to fight the WOT?

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We are not fighting the WOT. That war was in Afghanistan, and still is, against bin Laden. Instead ‘we cut and ran’ to fight a war against ‘Islamofascism’ whatever that is. We are no longer ‘bring ‘em on’, now it’s close the borders. FUBAR.

[freedomdefender]

A list of every Republican traitor at this meeting should be posted frequently

From what I've read about the meeting, these "traitors" were warning that the GOP could go down in flames next year if things don't change in Iraq. Translation: They don't want the GOP to go down in flames. They don't want Pelosi or Reid to have bigger majorities and they don't want Hillary or Obama in the White House. That's not being "traitors" in any ordinary sense of the word.

[LightBeam]

If that's the case, you should be positively enraged that we're not dismantling Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, which are the breeding swamps of terrorism and the nerve centers of Wahbbism today. Winning in Iraq is great, but it's not going to matter when a bunch of Islamofascists fashioning a nuclear weapon in Pakistan light up Miami Beach during the victory parade.

I am enraged, and frankly I'm at a loss as to why our CIC doesn't do something about the other terrorist sh!tholes either.

[Agent Smith]

Dubya has flunked lunch on THE THREE most important parts of his job, making the case to the American people for a long and aggressive war against the Islamofacists and effectively fighting the DemocRATS politically on the home front, and heaven forbid actually controlling our borders and preserving our nation.

Dubya either has NO ability and or NO inclination to do what needs to be done. I really think he is guilty on BOTH counts. I also doesn't help to see him holding hands with his Saudi Masters in the Rose Garden. Absolutely sickening. He is our Jimmy Carter for sure.

[LightBeam]

So Shiite militias, Sunni insurgent groups and northern Kurds are fighting each other for control because they want to destroy the West? It's a classic civil war that is going to take place whether we leave tomorrow or 20 years from now. This is nothing new, and has nothing to do with us.... You want to fight the WOT? Let's fight it and stop wasting time and money in Iraq where they are busy killing each other

First of all, again, you're swallowing the MSM kool-aid. "Oh, they're only fighting each other! We can just let them sort it out!". The short answer is that they're fighting each other over who can use Iraq as a platform to attack the West.

If we loose, Iraq will become a permanent terrorist aircraft carrier stationed right in the middle of the world's richest oil reserves. We're going to see a series of attacks on our soil like the world has never seen.

I even predict (assuming that we loose in Iraq) that at some point in the next 50 years we are going to see a concerted, organized Islamic "insurgency" here on our own shores. Ft. Dix would just be the beginning. .

You want that? Fine. Keep believing the MSM lies. They want it too.

[LightBeam]

If the White House couldn’t accurately predict the number of troops it would require to handle the aftermath, what makes you think that they can reliably predict anything else that would require doing something as illegal as nullifying a presidential election?

First of all, no actions taken to defend this country from total destruction are "illegal" by definition. Laws do not exist to destroy the country or to hand victories over to our enemies. Say it with me: The Consitution is not a suicide pact.

My whole point in giving this example, btw, was to show that absoutely no amount of public disapproval (in the polls or even at the ballot box) should keep our leaders from defending this country. To do or think otherwise is pure suicide.

[Almondjoy]

Wow.. is that because a few Republians don’t share your views?

Any election.. espically one with only two parties is a fight for ideas.

The point is to vote for someone who is MOST like you. We have primary’s for that reason.. we have a president election for the same exact reason.

We’ve seen first hand what the Green party did for Democrats. In the Republican primary you have a chance to vote in the most Conservative person you want. If that person doesn’t win you should have a duty to vote in the most Conservative person you can. That will almost certainly always be a Republican.

[Leatherneck_MT]

I think they have it wrong kelly.... These people aren’t RINOs.

they ARE Republicans.

Those of us who refuse to toe the party line are the RINOs.

Myself included.

But this is just my humble opinion.

[SCHROLL]

If the party is going to be run on the basis of doing what’s politically popular instead of what’s right is it worth saving? In a word, NO. They don’t deserve support if they go down that road.

[AliVeritas]

Planes into buildings with a stateless enemy is not conventional either. So what are you saying, sit on our asses and get hit... then do nothing?

Oh... you want us to TALK to them. People who strap bombs on their children. You need to wake up... fast. What good did sitting through the nineties while bombing after bombing occured do... win their respect, or get a message from OBL that we’re a paper tiger and they would attack more?

[AliVeritas]

Read the second post down:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

Then go to Mudville Gazette:
http://www.mudvillegazette.com

And:
http://richardminiter.pajamasmedia.com/

[A.Hun]

FWIW GWB has consistently told the nation exactly what he was going to do, and then did it. When we went to war, 70% of the nation supported the action. Because the American public is now spineless, is no reason to sacrifice the country to Islamic fundamentalists.

Of all the presidential candidates, he alone understood the islamic threat, and more so than anyone else, he has fought against it. You have forgotten his push for the Patriot Act to tear down the wall between intelligence and law enforcement, the decimation of Al-Queda ranking members from the time of the 9/11 attack, the constant fight to keep the US out of the clutches of the UN and the World Court, the fight to keep Terrorists imprisoned in Guantanamo instead of here with all the rights of a common criminal, the fight for clandestine CIA prisons, his fight for the ability to listen in on terrorist conversations into the US.

That is on top of kicking the Taliban’s ass into the mountains.

You sound just like the Democrap defeatists of two years ago. This war has cost us .6 of 1% deaths of military stationed in Iraq and less than 3% of our budget. This war is easily winnable, in fact, I still believe we are winning it. A democratically elected representative government that is actually functional is the proof.

For your information, the Saudi Arabian rulers are friends and allies of ours. Without their help, crude would be 200 dollars a barrel. They have allowed us use of their bases and airspace over the years, with no telling how much intelligence on radical Islam. Terrorists are the Saudi monarchies arch enemies also.

Pakistan is for all purposes something we can do nothing about short of a nuclear attack, and that is not something I would ever expect GWB to consider. He has had to deal with a nuclear Pakistan because of the incompetence of Bill Clinton.

I remember our hostages held in Iran for 444 days while Islamofascists marched in the street on top of our flag thanks to Jimmy Carter. Comparing GWB to Jimmy Carter is stupid.

[A.Hun]

Excellent links there Ali!

[servantboy777]

First of all, the Pub’s blew it, not the Americans who voted for them.

I’m a bit taken back by those who seem to place the culpability on the electorate rather than the failed leadership.

If we keep fishin from the same pond, were gonna keep catchin the same ol big mouth bass.

Vote conservative and kick out all the Rhino’s.

I’d rather have a Dem in office than a Republican who runs on a conservative platform then turns to the middle. At least you know what’cha got and you can make plans to come out against them.

Since you are neither hot or cold but lukewarm I will purge you.........ever heard those words?

They were spoken by Christ. He was speaking of those who said they were believers yet were in essence CINO’s.

If you are hot.....well then go gett’em, if your cold then stay cold, but if your lukewarm (Rhino) then you are dangerous to the party and the conservative platform.

boom!

[SoldierDad]

I don't know why people here refuse to believe that the war and the President are very unpopular.

I should care that "people" believe that the President and the War are unpopular after nearly four years of constant bashing from the liberal media and liberal politicians (including Rino's)?

What would be expected after constant claims that the U.S. 1) fabricated the reasons for war; 2) engaged in an illegal war; 3) are losing the war; all in the absence of information that counters these lies being told to this nation (and used as propaganda by our enemies)?

We as a Nation had better grow thicker skin and accept the fact that we are in the beginnings of the next world war. If not, we are destined to be defeated - not by our enemies, but from within (as suggested by a former Russian leader).