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Posted on 05/09/2007 12:10:40 PM PDT by jedward
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I read the title of a book today about where have all the good leaders gone...I forget the exact wording, but we live in an era lacking in solid leadership.
The fact that Rudy’s even running shows the reality of it.
Freepmail, btw.
That’s a pretty bunch of 2’s....
It's DarwinCentral.org.
I surely don’t know why you want to make people out to be what they aren’t...specially since I know this person, and I surely am not a retread ever.
But I’m not going to make an issue of it, nor even going to discuss it.
Point blank, my final word is to say, jedward is my friend, and I am glad he’s here to talk politics with me, and I am glad he finally started posting.
And if that’s not enough for all the folks looking under rocks for evil things, I can’t help it.
more important things to do that discuss this issue. Enjoy yourself. And I still like ya, and hope to meet you when I get up to visit Ed some day.
What questions are you talking about and why do you care?
Giuliani : Pro-Choice or Pro-Reality?
Social Right : Pro-Life or Pro-Fantasy?
Please seriously consider the points I’ve outlined. I’m a Milton Friedman war hawk baffled by the social right’s disconnect with reality on the abortion issue and their willingness to waste so much time on it.
I’d like the social right who waste so much energy on this issue to answer their own “hard questions” about the logistics and practicality of an abortion ban :
1) Both Roberts and Alito at their confirmation hearings said Roe was “settled law”. What did they mean? If there were sincere, what does that say for ANY hopes of overturning Roe? (Answer, no hope. Not going to happen. If even the MOST conservative jurists recognize they’re not going to be confirmed unless they state Roe is settled law, forget it!)
2) But say Roe was overturned anyway, what states would then ban abortion?
South Dakota in 2006 had a referendum passed by their legislature go down in flames 56%-44%. If a ban can’t win in conservative South Dakota, whose legislature supported it, where CAN a ban win? Utah?
How far is it from Salt Lake City to Las Vegas?
3) If a state passed a ban, what is the Social Right’s proposed punishment? The death penalty? A state conservative enough to pass a ban, more conservative than South Dakota, probably has the death penalty. Prison? For the woman, the doctor or both? 5 years, 10 years? 20? What type of felony is being committed?
4) How would it look for women or doctors in orange jump suits and leg irons to be marched into prison in Utah when it’s legal in other states? This is such a polarized issue, even in conservative states that passed a ban on abortions, this would create an unbearable firestorm. These women/doctors would be national martyrs, despite being so STUPID as not to get their abortion in the neighboring state where it is legal.
5) What other developed Western democracies, other than Ireland, Poland and Spain ban abortion? It’s even legal in Italy. Interestingly, it’s illegal in Germany, but there is zero enforcement.
This is such a waste of time and energy. Even without Roe, ANYONE in the U.S. will still be able to get an abortion as easily as they do with it.
And TRY enforcing a ban. That would be another Elian Gonzales or Terry Schivao type fiasco waiting to happen. Probably worse, if that’s possible.
The question is not pro-life or pro-choice. It’s pro-reality.
Someday, the Social Right is going to have to get it through their thick skulls it’s NOT going to happen.
Roe will not be overturned, according to no less that Roberts and Alito. Even if it was, NAME the states that will ban it if is. THEN, tell me the prison time you want for it.
Otherwise... shut up.
Don’t waste the GOP and the American electorate’s time with this colossal waste of hot air. That’s all the social right has on this too. Hot air. NAME the states. NAME the prison times. Be honest with the GOP and the American people. Don’t hide sanctimoniously behind an ultrasound, which are irrelavent unless you ARE WILLING to send women and doctors to PRISON. And TELL US the details
> Rudy is the only candidate who can beat the Clinton/Obama ticket.
Are you high? Has the recent French election taught you nothing? Hitlery is beatable, if we have the guts to pick someone with integrity and talent.
Guess what. Rooty ain’t it.
Apparently more than your candidate. I doubt you care because you dont care if you win, just that you can stand up and say I'm Ideologically pure. I would think you would care whether a Republican or Democrat nominated Supreme Court nominees but then if you got what you wanted, then what would there be for you to complain about? Heck you might actually be responsible for governing. What a concept.
Apparently more than your candidate. I doubt you care because you dont care if you win, just that you can stand up and say I'm Ideologically pure. I would think you would care whether a Republican or Democrat nominated Supreme Court nominees but then if you got what you wanted, then what would there be for you to complain about? Heck you might actually be responsible for governing. What a concept.
Who does the same thing for the Democrats? So you feel you are the spiritual kin of the Move-on.com netfreaks? Geez, that explains a lot.
Dont you know, they dont have a clue. They just want something to complain about, posture over and for some rip off the guillible with their fundraising. You do note that nothing happens on the abortion issue until an election comes close and then the fundraising letters fly.
Because it looks like you’re stepping into the light, about to commit freepercide. Good luck to ya. Hope yer havin’ fun stirrin’ up the hornets’ nest.
Exactly when was the last pro-Rudy piece published and when did you read it?
“Someday, the Social Right is going to have to get it through their thick skulls it’s NOT going to happen.”
“Don’t waste the GOP and the American electorate’s time with this colossal waste of hot air.”
No comment needed.
Thanks, got it.
If we all pose such a little tiny threat, I wonder why some people put so much time and passion into telling us how wrong we are. You’re welcome for the ping!
ditto/bump/POTD/yep/agreed
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Glad I kept my reply short.
And to think that Rudy may be our most electable Republican!
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