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Posted on 05/09/2007 12:10:40 PM PDT by jedward
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Which of these issues am I supposed to favor? The only one I have any interest in at all is illegal immigration and my views there are far to the right of the Dems and even Bush.
You do know that Fred supported abortion during the first trimester when he ran for the Senate. Came out just the other day.
I sent you a mail.
Are you even aware of Giuliani's views on illegal immigration? He ran the nation's largest sanctuary city. He provided benefits to illegal aliens. He opposed the Republican congress's welfare reform legislation because it would deny benefits to his precious illegal aliens. He refused to allow his law enforcement to cooperate with federal immigration law enforcement. When forced by the Federal Government to uphold immigration law, he sued to be able to continue his sanctuary city practices. When he lost that suit, he appealed. When he lost that appeal, he told the Federal Government to screw themselves and continued his illegal sanctuary city policies.
When an Islamic illegal alien committed a terrorist act in the Empire State Building, shooting several people, his response wasn't to call for more secure borders, or better enforcement of immigration laws, or better screening of entrants, or for getting tough against terrorism and terror-sponsoring nations. No, his first and only response was to get together with the Democrat gun grabbers and openly call for the incident to be used to further national gun control efforts to include Bill Clinton's anti-gun proposals.
You say you own guns. Well, a FReeper named Pharmboy owned guns too. Giuliani took them away. Giuliani confiscated more guns (nearly a million) than any other Presidential candidate - Democrat or Republican. And he BRAGGED about it.
Nothing I just posted about is a "social issue". Giuliani is a liberal. We mercilessly expose and trash liberals here on this site. Giuliani is getting precisely the treatment he deserves. If you don't like it, then shut up or leave.
Fiscally, a proponent of getting along, he governed from the left. Read my lips cost him votes.
Social issues, from the right. You'll recall the "moral voice" of the Republican Party in 1992 was none other than Pat Buchanan, which probably cost him some votes.
In my view the entry of Perot, combined with what he admits was a lackluster campaign based imo on a sense of entitlement cost him the election.
But the question raised in the 1992 process is the same one raised in 2008.
Bush I was the nominee based on primary voting.
What would you have had the GOP do?
Break the law and nominate someone else
Ultimately it's up to the voters. They have to be won over to a particular candidate. As I noted earlier, telling those who support the "wrong" candidate to change their vote based on "social conservatives" threat to stay home won't work.
What whould you have the GOP do this primary season?
Bar Rudy from the process, based on ......
I'm not drawing a connection, that overstates FR's influence, but it hasn't escaped my attention that in the aftermath of the 2006 "there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats" campaign, two viable conservative candidates, Allen and Santorum, lost their seats.
And in my view the country is worse off with a Democratic Congress, though clearly there'd be a lot of disagreement on that point on this site.
Its going to be interesting to see you squirm when Giuliani wins the early primaries and reality sets in. If Fred is to turn it around he's got to get his lazy ass together and get organized and start campaigning. He cant take too many more screwups like last weekend or you folks will look for someone else to be the candidate of the day. Seem to have already given up on Duncan Who? I guess you finally agree that no one knows who he is and he's not about to climb out of single digits anytime soon. Those that push Paul or Tancredo have totally lost it. Neither has a shot and if the other candidates died in a plane crash God forbid, they still couldnt win.
As I understand it, honest debates on the issues aren't to be tolerated. A new way of winning the hearts and minds of voters. After all, it's May, everyone's mind is made up isn't it.
And you're right about GWB, who in my view was worthy of attacks on the issues.
You do know that has been discussed and covered extensively here since some pro-Rudy turd posted it to try to damage a conservative candidate to make their liberal one look better.
Here's one of my responses:
Now, what was it you were trying to smear Fred Thompson with again, Rudytard?His views in 1994, especially as it pertains to abortion, were made irrelevant by his actual voting record. His voting record in the Senate was solidly pro-life and conservative. The constant repetition of a few things that he SAID in 1994 ignores the actual record of what he DID while serving in the Senate. Further, the intent of repeating the 1994 statements is to detract from Thompson's conservative record.
Fred Thompson's Ratings
Conservative Organizations:
- American Conservative Union: ~88
- Americans for Tax Reform: 90
- National Taxpayers Union: 84 (rated 7th best)
- National Right to Life: 77 (scored reduced due to vote for CFR)
- Eagle Forum: 75
- Conservative Index: 80
- Christian Coalition: ~85
- Family Research Council: 100
- Citizens Against Government Waste: 90
- Military Officers Association of America: 100
- NRA: "Staunch supporter of the Second Amendment"
Liberal Organizations:
- Planned Parenthood rating: 0
- NARAL Pro-Choice America rating: 0
- ACLU: 14
- NAACP: ~18
- LULAC: ~20
- Human Rights Campaign: 14
- NEA: ~10 (received a 0 in 2000)
- NOW: 0
- Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence: 13
- AFL-CIO: 0
- SEIU: 0
- American Federation of Teachers: 0
Sources: Project Vote Smart and Various Internet Sources
A tilde represents an average made of scores available.
This is a work in progress. Your mileage may vary.
” I want us to win and I can’t stand the thought of Hillary as President.”
In my opinion, Hillary would be better than Rudy...
His same words from last decade just like you were with Rudy.
And you'll be cheering if a liberal beats the conservatives in the primaries, I'm sure. What the **** are you even doing here on this conservative forum, troll?
If Fred is to turn it around he's got to get his lazy ass together and get organized and start campaigning.
Number one, calling a good conservative a "lazy ass" is not something you should be doing. Fred Thompson is doing precisely what he should be doing. His campaign strategy is sound.
He cant take too many more screwups like last weekend or you folks will look for someone else to be the candidate of the day.
By "you folks", I assume that you mean "you conservatives." Putting you outside that group, being a damned liberal or some other freak Losertarian. You know, I was one of those who pointed out Thompsons relatively mild speech the other day. It wasn't a campaign speech. Not a stump speech either. It was intended precisely for the audience to which it was delivered. It was not a "screwup" by any definition of the word. It wasn't a rousing speech, but its content was solidly conservative in a manner reminiscient of Ronald Reagan's conservatism. I'm sorry if you think speaking like a conservative is a "screwup" and that it offends you.
Seem to have already given up on Duncan Who? I guess you finally agree that no one knows who he is and he's not about to climb out of single digits anytime soon. Those that push Paul or Tancredo have totally lost it. Neither has a shot and if the other candidates died in a plane crash God forbid, they still couldnt win.
More trashing of our conservative candidates and attempting to demoralize their supporters. Your disruptive behavior is not welcome here. Let me remind you, as I reminded someone else in this thread, of the words of the owner of this forum for those of you who would trash conservative candidates and promote liberal ones:
Free Republic is a conservative site and we fight like hell for conservative principles, conservative values and conservative candidates. The Republican party is pro God, pro life, pro family, pro constitution, pro gun, pro national security, pro national sovereignty, pro defense, pro limited government, and pro America or I would not have joined it or supported it. It is a conservative party whether you and your liberal troll buddies like it or not and I intend to do all in my limited ability to see that it stays that way.Get with the program or get the hell out.And I repeat, the abortionist, gay rights supporting, illegal alien pandering, gun grabbing authoritarian liberal pig Rudy Giuliani will NEVER ever be elected to the presidency from the conservative party or I go down in flames fighting against him and you and your lame ass liberal troll buddies!
FR will not be used in an attempt to turn the Republican party into a liberal party or to elect a socialist abortionist pig to the White house. Get used to it!!
- Jim Robinson, 19 April 2007
“I’m hesitating for a reason.”
Well I believe there are a few that are wondering what for, including myself? You’re trying to attack my credibility. If you’re looking for an audience, I think you have one.
Apparently logic and reason are not one of your strong points, loser.
Thompson's statements were made BEFORE his term in office. During his term he proved that he was solidly pro-life and conservative. Those statements were made irrelevant by his actual record.
Giuliani's statements that I have guoted were made at the tail-end of his term as Mayor - a term that was marked by strongly pro-abortion policies, statements, and behavior. They punctuate precisely how pro-abortion Giuliani was and is. His recent pro-abortion statements further demonstrate his pro-abortion stance.
So, do you have any other smears you want to throw at good conservatives to make your liberal turd look better?
Bring it, Bozo...
It’s nuts really. I created a candidate thread with lots of links and great info on it to help everyone, and not a peep from her/him. I put this one up and suddenly she’s here and implying I’m some part of a consiracy of usernames.
I thought I got through that during the long thread. Guess not.
Well, I’m spinning wheels for now. I’ll await her response.
Yep, definitely anger management issues.
Thompson and his campaign werent happy with it. Sorry you are so easily satisfied.
Thanks for the ping. I see there are some “rudy-is-the-only-one-who-can-beat-Hillary” blowhards still around.
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