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Dean on the electoral college system: 'get rid of it'
The Valley News ^ | 05/08/07 | John Gregg

Posted on 05/08/2007 8:49:25 AM PDT by TheBethsterNH

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To: Red Badger
BINGO. Looking back to 2000/2004 democRAT anguish:

December 4, 2000 issue of The Nation.
Making Every Vote Count
by Lani Guinier

(excerpts)

In Wyoming one vote in the Electoral College corresponds to 71,000 voters; in Florida, one electoral vote corresponds to 238,000 voters. [it's NOT FAIR! WAAAH!]

Those convicted of a felony are permanently banned from voting in Florida and twelve other states. In Florida alone, this year more than 400,000 ex-felons, about half of them black, were denied the opportunity to vote. [it's NOT FAIR! WAAAH!]


61 posted on 05/08/2007 9:30:35 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: TheBethsterNH

“It was an invention for a time 200 years ago. I think that times have changed and we ought to get rid of it, one way or the other.”

Typical !#$!@# commie anti-American. They think everything more than 50 years old is irrelevent and want to throw it out.

“Thoughtful”, my !$@#!.


62 posted on 05/08/2007 9:30:39 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: kabar
Dean doesn’t understand the concept of Federalism and how our nation was formed.

Actually, I'm willing to bet he does... he just doesn't care.

63 posted on 05/08/2007 9:30:53 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompsn)
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To: TheBethsterNH
* While he doesn't believe the Second Amendment gives each individual the right to bear arms, he also rejected the notion of national gun control laws.

I wonder which part of "the right to keep and bear arms" he doesn't understand.

64 posted on 05/08/2007 9:31:16 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: TheBethsterNH

The funny thing is, in three out of the past four Presidential elections it would have hurt Dean’s Democrats if it were done properly. Why? Because in any ideal nationwide popular election (if we were to adhere to the Constitution in all other facets), the winner would have to have a MAJORITY, not a plurality, of votes to win election. That means Clinton (43% and 49%) would have had to go to a Congressional vote in 1992 and 1996, we’d be talking about President Bob Dole in the latter, and Bush still would have been elected in 2000 the same way. Of course, to Dean and anyone else who talks about it, they just want enough to get their candidate in, so they’ll lower the standard to 40% or something like that, will of the people be darned. I’m not all that opposed to a direct popular election, but there’d better be a majority requirement for the winner if they were to do it.


65 posted on 05/08/2007 9:32:08 AM PDT by jmyrlefuller
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To: TheBethsterNH
Sure Howie. Let’s just eliminate the concept of checks and balances while we are at it. Vermont is certainly overrepresented in the Senate and, of course, there’s that pesky presidential veto.
66 posted on 05/08/2007 9:32:11 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (I didn't leave the Democrat party. The Defeatocrat party left me.)
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To: TheBethsterNH
I don't see how you can have a national gun control law, because one size doesn’t fit all.”

Bingo! Can we say abortion, Howie?

67 posted on 05/08/2007 9:33:02 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: TheBethsterNH

He says at one point: “I’m with Howard Dean in that I think, in this day and age, we really cross state borders, we move from one state to the next, and there’s not this same kind of sense that the interests of one state are very different from the interests of others, which the Electoral College was designed to protect,” she said.

But when talking about gun laws, the difference between the various states is stressed. Poor logic.


68 posted on 05/08/2007 9:34:59 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: BFM

So the history so far is:

a) Special Prosecutor of the president - implemented/declared bad by same

b) Electronic/computer voting - implemented/declared bad by same

c) Electoral college concept - ????


69 posted on 05/08/2007 9:35:19 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Dick Vomer

LOLOL!!!!


70 posted on 05/08/2007 9:35:29 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (RUNFREDRUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: The Pack Knight
As of right now, the American people believe that the United States is and was intended to be a democracy, and Republicans, despite their name, have utterly capitulated on that point.

A Republic is a form of Democracy, it just isn't direct Democracy.

Democracy: Rule by the People.

Republic: A state or nation in which the supreme power rests in all the citizens entitled to vote. This power is exercised by representatives elected, directly or indirectly, by them and responsible to them.

71 posted on 05/08/2007 9:35:36 AM PDT by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Blue State Insurgent

Well, Howie, let’s see - I live in a blue state (California) and I can vote Republican every election and it doesn’t make a dime’s worth of difference because the San Francsico Bay Area and Los Angeles decide who the winner of California is - now YOU tell ME who the hell is disenfranchised??!!

You know what would REALLY make the Dummicrats cringe - apportion electoral votes in the same manner as the popular vote - i.e., no more winner take all. Let’s hear the Dummis tell us why this is a BAD idea!


72 posted on 05/08/2007 9:37:33 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
They think everything more than 50 years old is irrelevant and want to throw it out.

Yes, that's one of the left mentality's most worrisome features: history must be revised if it's not convenient for them.

73 posted on 05/08/2007 9:38:50 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: TheBethsterNH

Electorial college system on Dean: Get rid of him!


74 posted on 05/08/2007 9:40:06 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: justiceseeker93
That's because, under a polpular vote system, the 'Rats could more efficiently concentrate their fraud operations in large cites in states in which they would win handily regardless.

Exactly. Everyone in power knows this. I just wish some Republican leader would be man enough to stand up for the Constitution and say that the ONLY reason the Demos are doing this is to "steal" the election. I hate the fact the Reps don't call Dean and his ilk Stalinists. The left wants to destroy this Republic.

75 posted on 05/08/2007 9:41:19 AM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: TheBethsterNH

If you were ever curious as to what a simmering bucket of poop sounded and smelled like, there’s your sign....Is it a mere coincidence that the word “sh!t” and the name “Dean” both have four letters?
I THINK NOT!


76 posted on 05/08/2007 9:41:42 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (RUNFREDRUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: TheBethsterNH

Dean...you giant loon from the left...get lost!


77 posted on 05/08/2007 9:42:12 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: TheBethsterNH

Dems want to dump the EC, because their power base resides in large, urban population centers.

If the States were really interested in making their various localities the targets of Candidate campaigns, they would dump the “sweepstakes” method of assigning EVs, and use the method that Maine does, and apportion their EVs per popular vote, instead of winner-take-all. If California or Texas did that, then the minority Parties wouldn’t write them off; 40% of CA Electors is better than 0%.


78 posted on 05/08/2007 9:44:36 AM PDT by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: TheBethsterNH
[“I think it’s outlived its usefulness,” Dean said in response to a question on the subject during a talk to a government class at Dartmouth College. “It was an invention for a time 200 years ago. I think that times have changed and we ought to get rid of it, one way or the other.”]

Hey Howard, you need to dust off your copy of The Constitution; You can’t get rid of the Electoral College “one way or another”, just ONE way. The process of a Constitutional amendment is that ONE way.

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRRGH!!!

79 posted on 05/08/2007 9:45:02 AM PDT by spinestein (Who put the rhyme in the rhyme a lyma ding dong?)
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To: buckeye27
It's surprising that they would want to get rid of the electoral college....wasn't it put in place to make the voices of states equal?

Some states are more equal than others.

80 posted on 05/08/2007 9:45:46 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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