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To: tpaine; Shooter 2.5
"... I've been studying the evidence since '64, when the botched (Warren Commission) Report first came out. Several days after its publication I pointed out [in a published letter to the editor] the ~fact~ of a mismatch with the holes in JFK's clothing and the wound in the back of his 'neck', as per photos/drawings in the Report."

Well, see, that's precisely the kind of thing I mean when I say that I'm puzzled that you don't understand the fundamentals.

New film ("The George Jefferies Film") has already been revealed that shows how the back brace Kennedy wore at the time led to the bunching up of the material of his suit jacket as he sat in the limousine at a higher plane than did Governor Connally. Pause the embedded film right at 00:25 to see ths effect.

This new film shows clearly what the counter-conspriracists (for lack of a better term, the 'Lone Gunman Believers' if you like that better) have been saying since that time in discrediting the notion of the 'zig-zagging' bullet.

This is not the first film that shows the bunching up of the material, nor the relative height difference between the President and Governor Connally, it's just the clearest. In fact, see how Sen. Arlen Specter demonstrates exactly this fact in the link above.

If you're aware of this film and simply don't believe it or buy the explanation of why it matters, then you're willfully ignorant because you simply want to believe in conspiracy. Maybe it's just that you greatly dislike Sen. Arlen Specter for some reason. Well, you would have quite a lot of company here on FR, but that's no reason to disregard the Warren Commission Report.

Really, tpaine: Kennedy's bunched-up suit coat, the difference in seated height between the two men, the downhill slope of Elm Street away from the TSBD, and the 'flying drill' ballistic characteristics of 6.5 Carcano military ball ammo are the sum of what mechanics were involved in the third shot causing the wounds and bullet path that you believe to be evidence of conspiracy.

This evidence has been available for forty-plus years. The only people remaining who believe in conspiracy are those uneducated by the facts (i.e., most who still believe in something more than Lee Harvey Oswald being the lone gunman, for whatever unfounded reason though they don't quite know why they believe what they do) or those conspiracists that want to ignore certain critical evidence to shape their pet reasonings for conspiracy because they're trying to sell spooky books, sell a paranoiac political idea, or cover up the embarassing fact that an adolescent-minded left wing Commie moonbat with undiagnosed sociopathic rage issues murdered our President in order to make the world remember his name forever.

318 posted on 05/06/2007 12:09:31 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid
There is way much more to the conspiracy hypothesis than Oswald denial. Too many people have come forward listing roles in the assassination, Mobsters and etc. What for instance, as one of many, would Howard Hunt be looking for? The man was dying. What does he have to gain? Restoration of his reputation after the Watergate fiasco? Could not a better job have been done with perhaps a tell-all about CIA successes in Latin America, or the real story behind the Bay of Pigs? What do you think he was thinking to be telling big whoppers in tapes sent only to his son? Something like:

I have not done well for my son, he never went to Medical School, and I have no real inheritance for him other than my notoriety. So I will bequeath to him some half-baked bar-room boasting by dead guys I once worked with, so that he can sell some books and appear on late night radio. Yeah, thats the ticket. He will be set for life then, and my grandchildren too.

Oswald insisted he was a patsy. Ruby's murder of Oswald only makes sense as an attempt to silence him.

333 posted on 05/06/2007 4:58:28 PM PDT by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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To: The KG9 Kid
I've been studying the evidence since '64, when the botched (Warren Commission) Report first came out.
Several days after its publication I pointed out [in a published letter to the editor] the ~fact~ of a mismatch with the holes in JFK's clothing and the wound in the back of his 'neck', as per photos/drawings in the Report.

New film ("The George Jefferies Film") has already been revealed that shows how the back brace Kennedy wore at the time led to the bunching up of the material of his suit jacket

And how does that explain how the material in his shirt 'bunched up' to line up the holes in both jacket & shirt, as per the photos in the Report? Do tailored shirts [worn under/over backbraces?] in effect glue themselves to jackets? -- I doubt it.

as he sat in the limousine at a higher plane than did Governor Connally. Pause the embedded film right at 00:25 to see ths effect.
This new film shows clearly what the counter-conspriracists (for lack of a better term, the 'Lone Gunman Believers' if you like that better) have been saying since that time in discrediting the notion of the 'zig-zagging' bullet.
This is not the first film that shows the bunching up of the material, nor the relative height difference between the President and Governor Connally, it's just the clearest. In fact, see how Sen. Arlen Specter demonstrates exactly this fact in the link above.

Your link to the photo at post #161 shows the height difference, which is an uncontested fact. It also shows the offset of JFK to the left, Connally to the right, - from Oswald's line of sight. - Somehow Specters magic bullet went through the mid line of JFK, then ended up entering Connally on his right side, creating "the notion of the 'zig-zagging' bullet".

If you're aware of this film and simply don't believe it or buy the explanation of why it matters, then you're willfully ignorant because you simply want to believe in conspiracy.

Well, you're aware of the photo at #161 and simply don't believe it or buy the explanation of why it matters. - Does this mean that you're willfully ignorant because you simply want to believe in the lone gunman theory?

Maybe it's just that you greatly dislike Sen. Arlen Specter for some reason. Well, you would have quite a lot of company here on FR, but that's no reason to disregard the Warren Commission Report.

Why do you 'regard' the Warren Report as gospel? Many other parts of it are a botched up mess, besides & beyond Specters fantasies.

Really, tpaine: Kennedy's bunched-up suit coat, the difference in seated height between the two men, the downhill slope of Elm Street away from the TSBD, and the 'flying drill' ballistic characteristics of 6.5 Carcano military ball ammo are the sum of what mechanics were involved in the third shot causing the wounds and bullet path that you believe to be evidence of conspiracy.

You've got to be kidding; "-- flying drill --"? Good grief.

This evidence has been available for forty-plus years. The only people remaining who believe in conspiracy are those uneducated by the facts (i.e., most who still believe in something more than Lee Harvey Oswald being the lone gunman, for whatever unfounded reason though they don't quite know why they believe what they do) or those conspiracists that want to ignore certain critical evidence to shape their pet reasonings for conspiracy because they're trying to sell spooky books, sell a paranoiac political idea, or cover up the embarassing fact that an adolescent-minded left wing Commie moonbat with undiagnosed sociopathic rage issues murdered our President in order to make the world remember his name forever.

Great rant. - I'm not a conspiracist, and I don't want to ignore certain critical [factual] evidence. Bring it on, -- you've had forty years to do so.
The factual evidence I've seen to date does not support the Reports 'Oswald as lone gunman theory' beyond a reasonable doubt.

360 posted on 05/07/2007 8:58:51 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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