Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
So you aren’t a member of the religious right?
You aren’t a Conservative Republican?
What are you doing here, then?
I’ll be honest. I have trouble seeing myself voting for someone who wears magic underwear.
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1) They believe other religions ( Christian and **non-Christian**, too) often and usually have much truth. They simply do not have all the truth, or as much of the truth as Mormons do. In fact, Mormons believe that further truth can and will be revealed, so, they themselves are not yet in full possession of the truth.
2) Yes, other Christian churches exist, but, do not have the “fullness of the gospel”.
3) Yes, other Christian churches exist outside of the Mormon church. See #2.
4) The theology of other Christian churches is most often theologically sound. There are some differences ( for instance some Christian beliefs and the Mormon’s conception of the Trinity)
5) That other Christian churches do not share every belief of the Mormons does NOT make them non-Christian. If a person accepts Christ as their Savior, they are Christian.
6) I can’t speak for other evangelical leaders.
I have seen them at many such events and they do not appear mythological.
Perhaps it’s a Western thing? Don’t most Mormons live in the West?
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Hm...?
Mormons believe in the Virgin Birth,and that Christ is the literal Son of God. They beleive that Christ calls all to repentance in His Name, and that salvation and eternal life is only possible through Him. They believe in the atonement of our sins by Christ, and literal resurrection of Christ. The uphold the New Testament.
Geeze! ...This looks like a walking, talking Christian duck to me?
Some of them at least, also appear to believe in taking the Lord's name in vain.
Christian faiths will not be exhalted like the Mormons, because the Mormons believe they are the one true faith.
Why, then, would the Christians want to accept Mormonism as true, when the Mormons don’t view the Christians the same way in kind?
I’ve never had a Methodist say to me, “You’re wrong!” But, I have had Mormons say that to me. A Methodist is not threatened because the mainstream Protestant faiths are very similar.
The same cannot be said for Baptists or Methodists believing what the Mormons say is true faith.
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Wow! Isn’t that the truth!
I used to buy my children’s Saxon Math Books at our local Christian book store. There was as whole shelf devoted to anti-Mormon literature.
By the way, this particular bookstore did not prosper and was out of business in less than 5 years.
Since “faith” is defined in the LDS universe as:
” “If ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true” (Alma 32:21). Faith is a principle of action and power. Whenever we work toward a worthy goal, we exercise faith. We show our hope for something that we cannot yet see.” [from lds.org gospel topics]
Then I propose the following list of things that Mormons in good standing (Mitt) better have “faith” in:
- disappearing golden plates that weren’t even always present [and they were necessary why exactly?]
- a first vision by Joseph Smith where he actually became the only human in all of known history to see God (and live)...and that the final version (written years after the event) is the ‘whole’ truth
- a polygamy-loving polygamist God [or else a lot of past LDS leaders are in big trouble...after all the God of the Bible can be one angry dude]
- a planet/star named Kolob where God resides
- a lost papyrus that was the ‘real’ papyrus used for the Book of Abraham [that contradicts all egyptologists’ current knowledge]
- that there is absolutely no corruption with all that tithing money in hands of humans
- that God really wanted a new conference center instead of more/better meetinghouse [so that there wouldn’t have to be two or more units in a bldg], or a new mall instead of alms for the poor
- that Brigham Young really was the chosen successor to Joseph Smith [or else the RLDS got it right]
- that all other Christian Churches REALLY are wrong
- that the Bible REALLY is corrupt [the lds church just haven’t pinpointed and/or published the list of corrupt verses yet]
- that Heavenly Father REALLY directed numerous changes to a ‘restored’ temple ceremony
- that Heavenly Father actually directed the changes to let blacks have the priesthood [vs. lds leadership just caving in to external pressure]
- that Utah Statehood didn’t have anything to do with the Manifesto to stop polygamy...Heavenly Father just changed his mind
- that Nephite/Lamanite archaeological evidence just hasn’t been discovered yet
- that a language called reformed Egyptian existed
- that MesoAmerican metalurgy existed (other than soft metals)
On the other hand, here’s a list of Things that they don’t have to rely on “faith” for....these actually exist:
- the bones of the murdered victims of MMM
- the record of the ages of the wives [at the time of marriage] of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Parley P Pratt, etc etc
- the bank notes from Kirtland
- the record of the changes made to the “most perfect book” [BofM]
- the factual translation of the Book of Abraham pappyri
- actual peepstones [in the possession of the lds church]
- the written transcript of the Reed Smoot hearings
- the arrest records of JS for glass-looking
Call me a bigot if you will. But I won’t vote for a President deluded enough to fit this bill.
I left the LDS Church at great personal peril. Either Mitt is ignorant of the facts of Mormonism, or he doesn’t have the personal intergrity to admit it is a farce, or he belives the doctrine with all his heart. Any of those reasons for Mitt being Mormon are enough for me to not only vote against him, but openly campaign against him.
Let the flames begin.
Apparently Saundra thinks that Mormonism is just a superior brand of Protestantism. That seems to be the emphasis that the TV Commercials portray. But as you and I both know, that is all smoke and mirrors.
When I grew up we Mormons proudly separated ourselves from all other churches. We did not attempt to identify with them. We were not like them. We were better than them. We had the one true religion and they were all following false religions.
I would never have said "I'm a Christian, too." That was not in the Mormon vocabulary 30 years ago. Apparently the LDS marketing department decided that being a "peculiar church" did not work as well as being a "better church". So the LDS marketing strategy now seems to be to try to sell the Mormons as another, but a superior Christian denomination. "We're Heineken and all the other denominations are store brand."
But no matter how you slice it, Mormonism is not just another denomination. It is a wholly different religion than historical Christianity. Mormons used to be proud of that fact. Now they are apparently embarrassed by it. I suppose that is a step in the right direction.
Another myth.
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Well, I saw with my own mythological eyes.
Whether he is an atheist or not would not play into my decision. My vote is based on the person's positions on issues.
Does the truth about God and man matter to you?
Absolutely. But I'd much rather vote for a pro-life atheist than one who claims to be Christian but has no problem killing babies.
Mormonism is worse than a mere cult
Then don't be a Mormon. I'm not one. But I wouldn't refuse to vote for someone merely because they are a Mormon. Anyone who does that is a loon.
As a Christian I believe that government officials are "ministers of God".
Indeed, they are. Read the bible. Even those who opposed Israel were chosen by God to do so. And when they weren't, God lead Israel to wipe them out.
A Mormon President would be a minister of a false god.
Again, God uses the leaders of countries to accomplish His will. (See previous comment.)
If you don't think your vote will be judged by the God who judges "every idle word", think again.
Of course it will be. That's why I vote based on their positions on issues.
An honest question:
Would you overlook Romney’s very, very liberal record as Governor of Massachusetts if he were, say, Baptist?
I am not blind, and I am literate.
It is impossible to miss the headlines and titles. They were vicious and hateful enough for a lifetime.
Where do you live?
I have never seen an antimormon book at my local christian bookstore.
Of course I know of no local mormon church here.
It could very well be a regional thing.
What were the headlines and titles? It seems to be something vividly etched into your mind. What headline or title could do that?
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