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To: antivenom
In reading this thread I just have to shake my head. I've been training dogs since the late 60's. I've trained every kind of dog that Uncle Sam or the local cop shops have in their inventory and a few stock dogs and hunting dogs along the way as well. I still have a kennel full of dogs and give dog training instruction weekly. I've been training attack dogs professionally for over 30 years. One of the comments is that pittbull's are not predictable. Yes they are. They have been bread to bite and fight and that is exactly what they will do. You may not know what the trigger is to that individual dog but the instinct to bite and fight is hard wired into every pitt bull alive today. If you deny this fact them you are putting yourself in the same position that the parents of this child were in before he was mauled and killed. I'm sure they denied it too. You can not take the bite and fight out of a pitt any more than you can take the herding instinct out of a stock dog, the bird out of a pointer, or the track and chase out of a hound. Just because some owners don't want to deal with it or even admit it doesn't make 500 years of selective breeding go away.
Another toddler is dead. This dog had a history of attacking and killing. Another comment was about the parents not being at fault. BULL!!! The parents set this all up and allowed it to happen.
If I leave a gun laying around and someone gets a hold of it and kills a kid I'm going to be held criminally responsible. This situation is even worse. They left a dog known to attack and kill in their home with small children. The least they should be charged with is negligent homicide. The dog had already proven himself to be a deadly weapon. I don't know how the parents could be surprised at this logical outcome. Who do you think they call as the expert witness when one of these dogs attack and kill? I'll give you a clue, it ain't the dog whisperer.
148 posted on 04/27/2007 4:35:34 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no
They have been bread to bite


I won't attack your vast knowledge on the basis this,
but I do wish you would answer the question I've put to you,
what has been ...3 times already, namely...

How many 'pit bulls' have you trained?

the instinct to bite and fight is hard wired into every pitt bull alive today

This should not come as a shock
but the instinct to bite and fight is hard wired into every dog alive today.
They're not descended from lambs, you know :~D

FWIW I agree with the last section of your post

159 posted on 04/27/2007 6:27:44 PM PDT by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: oldenuff2no
I train dogs too. I am actively involved in “Agility Training” with a 2 year old Bichon Frise. I do so because she is a not a people friendly dog and has a short attention span. I have found that the bond I have developed in active training has made her a more social dog. I do know if she were left to her own devices, she would have the tendency to be an aggressive dog. I am actively involved in making her a compliant dog and add some joy to her life.

I have many friends with larger and more aggressive dogs. Do I trust their dogs; NO, because I know underneath the dog's temporarily controlled behavior there may lie a dog who will resort to their natural instinct if left unattended (uncontrolled).

In the end we are talking about natural instinct, if a person has a rigidly controlled dog, it is probably going to be a good dog, if not...a person has a ticking time bomb on their hands.

I have a friend who took a pit bull in...and to be honest it was a beautiful and wonderfully smart dog. Did I ever trust that dog...hell know...because I understood that the pound per square inch of a bite from a pit bull was a losing situation for a human being. No matter how beautiful and cool an alligator may be in the wild...I am not going to want to mess with it or try to manage it.

In the end...humans with little or no commitment can NOT really manage a pt bull, once a pit bull has made up its mind.

Pit bulls are a breed that need to be eliminated and reintroduced once the gangsta' fad has finally agreed to use Bichons as a threatening status symbol...LOL

162 posted on 04/27/2007 6:42:50 PM PDT by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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