The problem comes when the Parents aren't good and honorable people or disagree with State policies. Does the State have the right to interfere if the Father is raping the daughter? Does the State have a right to interfere if the children aren't being fed properly? Does the State have the right to interfere if the children aren't getting proper medical attention? Does the State have the right to interfere if the Children aren't getting a proper education? Does the State have a right to interfere if the Children object to how they are being raised? Does the State have a right to interfere if the Child wants an abortion?
For example, going to the final question first, you make it sound very normal and un-alarming that a child should be in a situation to want an abortion. A child should not even want to be pregnant. A child should not be having sex. Forgive me if I am misunderstanding you, but I get the idea that you see things that are increasingly common moral distortions as being a thing of normalcy.
So let me be frank and say, if one of my daughters were immoral and promiscuous, and this led to a pregnancy, I would not offer the child a choice. I would not approve of an abortion, and I would have the girl to go through the pregnancy. I and the girl’s mother would endure the shame — yes SHAME — of having allowed the girl to develop a relationship unsupervised in which her sexual appetites and temptations were unnecessarily stirred. We believe that it is murder to abort the unborn, and more egregious when carried out to hide the sin or escape the shame of the sin.
You asked about education. We homeschool. Many, many in the education field in states where we have resided would certainly say that our children “aren’t getting a proper education.” They would say this because they don’t agree with our world view and belief system. some would say this because they believe that the state somehow knows best for everyone’s children, when that is not the case. Many would say we are depriving our children, because they know that so much tax money per head in the school district is at stake. Sorry, the state desn’t know best.
“If the children object to how they are being raised?” The question seems to be based on some premise that children have adult wisdom from kindergarten and are supposed to know enough to know what they they should object to. God didn’t give my children to the state, and if the state were to remove the children, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE CHILDREN OBJECT TO THE STATE’S POLICIES FOR RAISING THEM??!!Would the state care? No! Would the state ask the children how they want to be raised? Of course not.
There are already laws on the books against incest. There are already laws on the books against rape. Rape is rape regardless of the perpetrator. No sane man believes that a father forcing a daughter is somehow not rape. It is rape and the father should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Feeding and medicating can be touchy. In 1984, while having our daughter treated at a university hospital in Florida, state workers kept pestering us to accept all kinds of government services for all of our children. When we wouldn’t cooperate, they began accusing us of being terrible parents and depriving our children of this and that and the other. State paid people are trained to think this way. I know this first hand from having worked for a “human development” corporation (1980) that got all of its funding from the federal government. All of us on staff were told that we had to be promoters of every program and we had to try to convince citizens who were minding their own business that they NEEDED the government-funded service. In other words, we were told that we had to try to make government dependents out of people who had been living self-sufficient lives up to that time.
I don’t mean any ill-will toward you, but your questions seem to be telling me that you actually trust the state in these things. Sorry, but a very long time ago I quit trusting what the government and the government-funded educational apparatus has to say about what families and children need.