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VA Tech students under fire: Why didn't someone stop Cho?
Town Hall ^ | 4/26/2007 | W. Thomas Smith, Jr

Posted on 04/26/2007 11:57:24 AM PDT by Uncledave

The Virginia Tech massacre has spawned countless questions: Everything from why would student Cho Seung-hui gun down 32 fellow human beings, to why was campus security not able to prevent him from committing the deadliest mass-shooting in U.S. history.

Three of the questions – all related – posed to me have been: Why didn’t some of the students rush Cho? Why didn’t someone tackle and disarm him? Where were the likes of those brave souls of United Flight 93 who made the decision to “Let’s Roll” on September 11, 2001?

First, to the third question: The brave souls were there at Virginia Tech, and they rose to the occasion on April 16, 2007. But like those of Flight 93, bravery wasn’t enough.

Now to the first two questions: It’s easy to Monday-morning quarterback about what any one of us would have done in similar circumstances. It amazes me the number of people who have told me, they “would have rushed Cho.” And they “would not have just sat there and let him do what he did.”

But make no mistake, no one really knows what they will do under fire, until they are in fact under fire. And like all combat actions, there are tactical variables at play that often carry more weight than any combination of courage, quickness, and reason ever will. Not that C,Q, and R don’t matter: They do, and lives are nearly always saved because of them. But they are usually not enough to save everyone in the face of a determined killer or killers.

Let’s consider a few of those tactical variables in the case of the Virginia Tech massacre.

Aside from being armed with two (easily reloadable) semi-automatic pistols with plenty of ammunition, the shooter, Cho, had countless advantages as he entered each classroom:

1) Cho possessed the elements of both surprise and shock: The latter includes terror, which can in many instances physically, mentally, and emotionally paralyze the victims.

2) Cho was in close-enough quarters – with few exits – that his victims would have found it extremely difficult to escape: In fact, he was – in many cases – positioned in front of the only door in a given classroom.

3) In almost every classroom, Cho’s field of fire would have been between 45 and 90-degree angles, affording him complete coverage of every space in the room at any one moment.

4) Cho’s victims would have had no cover (physical protection from Cho’s bullets) and virtually no concealment at any time during the attack.

5) The small, terrible space between the doorway - which Cho would have entered with guns blazing – and the groupings of desks where the victims would have been sitting, would have been the deadliest space in the room. For a student to rush Cho, the student would have had to immediately overcome the shock of the attack, unhesitatingly bolt from his or her desk, and charge exposed and unarmed directly across the deadliest space in the room to the source of the killings. This would have been a wholly unnatural act for anyone (I’ll explain this in a moment), yet we may never know if one or two victims actually did do this.

6) The charging, unarmed student would have had no way of knowing whether or not there were more unseen gunmen following behind the visible shooter, Cho.

7) Cho was a fanatic, and prepared to die in his own attack.

8) Most of the victims were young, and probably none of them had any combat training, much less experience under fire: The exception being Dr. Liviu Librescu, the 76-year-old professor and Holocaust survivor who sacrificed himself for his students.

Twenty-five years ago as a Marine infantryman, I remember my squad constantly running immediate action drills: the actions taken in response to an ambush while on patrol.

We were always taught to counterattack directly in the face of the ambush, quickly closing the gap between us and the enemy, and in doing so, attempt to gain fire superiority by shooting back.

We practiced the immediate action drills over-and-over for two reasons. First, if in the event of an actual ambush we were to have sought cover or attempted to run (the natural human reaction), we would have been shot to pieces and the squad probably wiped out. Second, if we didn’t practice the immediate action drills until they became instinctive responses to an ambush, we – just like any other human beings – would instinctively run, seek cover, or hit the deck. And we were U.S. Marines, so there was never a dearth of courage or aggressiveness.

Which brings me back to the students and faculty at Virginia Tech who fell victim to Cho.

They died not because they were too afraid to act. In fact, the heroics of many of them already have been chronicled. More stories of heroism in the face of unequivocal horror will surely surface in the coming weeks and months. And most likely some of the stories of the greatest courage died with the victims before they could be told.

It’s amazing what good men and women are capable of doing in the most desperate moments of life and death. It’s even more amazing how people measure up to a task, even when they are not prepared to do so.

But the odds were against the victims at Virginia Tech. Under the circumstances, they did all they could to survive and help their fellow students and professors. But it wasn’t enough; it never will be against a determined killer like Cho.

And, as retired Navy SEAL and Medal of Honor recipient Mike Thornton told me in an interview for National Review Online’s The Tank, “Thank God, he [Cho] didn’t have guns staged all over the place. The losses would have been even higher.”

W. Thomas Smith Jr. is a former U.S. Marine infantry leader, parachutist, and shipboard counterterrorism instructor and co-author of The Complete Idiot's Guide to Pirates.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; cho; vatech; virginiatech
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To: Uncledave
This is a creepy post. The author seems to enjoy a little too much phrases like “field of fire” and “tactical variables” and “fire superiority.” It was a college. Let the dead rest in peace and the survivors be left unjudged. Creepy? I think unnecessary body count is creepy. For one, there was no was to lock the classroom door, so the other rooms were vulnerable. One room, the French Lab (I'm not kidding) attempted a barricade but Cho got through and killed 9 in that room. If there was anyone armed outside the room he first entered, Cho's threat zone has doubled instantly; reducing his ability to kill. Plus there was a lack of screams as I recall reported. Screams help accelerate reaction. As a minimum, 1) have locks on doors and have emergency exits 2) have at least a faculty accessible arms stash on every floor 3) encourage screams 4) have an alarm system for lockdown. There are so many public places at risk for another of these attacks. C2K
61 posted on 04/26/2007 1:09:13 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: AppyPappy

It must be recoiless. :)


62 posted on 04/26/2007 1:09:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: pgkdan

I know of three brave teachers. One of them left the safety of the third floor to try and help.


63 posted on 04/26/2007 1:09:54 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

One of the professors killed was a vet. He came downstairs to confront the killer and was killed.


64 posted on 04/26/2007 1:10:01 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Idaho Whacko

Let me know how you handle it the next time someone bursts in on you unawares with guns blazing.


65 posted on 04/26/2007 1:10:40 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: PAR35

Cool.

87 caliber.


66 posted on 04/26/2007 1:10:55 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: RobbyS

Interesting. I didn’t remember that Kevin was a veteran


67 posted on 04/26/2007 1:11:28 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: The Blitherer

He is simply pointing out that one has to be trained to respond to an attack by charging the killer.


68 posted on 04/26/2007 1:11:43 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: SF Republican
Maybe because he had automatic weapons and they did not want to get shot; I am just guessing.

Geesh..! He didn't have AUTOMATIC weapons..!!

69 posted on 04/26/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Uncledave

When will CHO be issued (posthumously) a summons for bringing a gun into a “GUN FREE” ZONE?


70 posted on 04/26/2007 1:14:00 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: AppyPappy

My son was an Army Lt in Iraq, and was in combat. The training clicks in and saves lives. You know the old fight or flight thing. A few guys with spears can take down a lion, but they weren’t born with that ability.


71 posted on 04/26/2007 1:16:37 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: SoCalRight
"This is a creepy post. The author seems to enjoy a little too much phrases like “field of fire” and “tactical variables” and “fire superiority.” "

Only creepy to non-military, draft-dodging folks..

Those of us that did serve our country in the armed forces are well familiar with these terms.

I take it that this sort of knowledge is beneath the likes of you?

72 posted on 04/26/2007 1:17:19 PM PDT by USMCVet
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To: PAR35; Osage Orange

I corrected my error on post 19


73 posted on 04/26/2007 1:28:57 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: AppyPappy

If you’re mad enough a .22 will do.


74 posted on 04/26/2007 1:36:05 PM PDT by Lady Jag (A positive attitude will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.)
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To: Lady Jag

When I was a kid, my neighbor killed her husband with a .22. One shot.


75 posted on 04/26/2007 1:45:11 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: PAR35

I was going to say something about your remark but I see you are from Texas so I will let it slide.


76 posted on 04/26/2007 1:49:14 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: All

http://www.catholicvirginian.org/archive/2007/2007vol82iss13/pages/2007vol82iss13.html

Article where it is mentioned


77 posted on 04/26/2007 1:56:54 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: conserv8ive1

Unless you’re the first to hit with tremendous bad luck, I’m sure I could’ve drawn and fired and hit him. If he was coming into a semi-barracaded room, I know I’d be able to line up and take him down with 2-3 shots of .357 Sig as he came in.

Problem is, nobody in those classrooms had a chance, they were unarmed. Even if it was legal to carry, I bet nobody would anyway.

9/11 should’ve taught us, but it didn’t.


78 posted on 04/26/2007 1:59:53 PM PDT by Tolsti
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To: Uncledave

What amazes me most, which the utter lack of action on this, is why we haven’t had 10 copycats and 100 other jihadists raining death in campuses across the country.

They are completely, utterly, open seasons.

Right now, if anyone wanted to repeat Cho’s action, they could, in thousands of campuses across the country, and do the same or worse.


79 posted on 04/26/2007 2:03:57 PM PDT by Tolsti
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To: Uncledave
He fired 170 rounds in 9 minutes or a shot every three seconds.

I defy anybody to have the presence of mind under withering fire to do anything but run, unless they have military or police training.


BUMP

80 posted on 04/26/2007 2:12:50 PM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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