The Rudy Giuliani Truth File in his own words and deeds

This is the start of a series of threads that will be used to expose the truth about Rudy Giuliani in his own words and deeds.

Please post all of the quotes, speeches, interview transcripts, video clips, photos, newspaper/magazine articles, reports, records, statistics, NYC budgets, NYC spending, political appointments, gun grabs, connections to the gun control lobby, lawsuits against gun manufacturers, the truth about crime reduction in NYC, private property grabs, asset forfeitures, abuses of office, individual rights trampling, constitution trampling, violations of public trust, violations of the rule of law, national security risks, failures in security preparedness prior to and after 911, corruption, graft, bribes, favors, union dealings, mob dealings, business dealings leveraged through government contracts and contacts, rainmaking for his business partners, connections to US, Middle East or South American oil and energy companies and law firms that have profited and or will profit from Giuliani's government offices especially if he becomes president, war profiteering, his personal and business finances, his train wreck of a private life and lack of character, lack of qualifications for high office, illegal alien sanctuaries, welfare for illegals, pandering to illegals/illegal alien lobby, support for the abortion and gay rights lobbies, NARAL connections and participation, past and current support for McCain-Feingold, connections and dealings with liberal officeholders or the liberal/socialist caucuses/lobbies, etc, etc, etc, that you can find.

We're primarily interested in the words from his own mouth or primary source records and reports of his deeds/misdeeds. All submissions must contain true facts with documentation and links to source documentation and a link to FR thread on the individual item if available.

We do not need to embellish the record. The ugly truth from his own liberal mouth will impeach his credibility and the reader will be able to disqualify the man from consideration for high office based solely on his own words and deeds.

Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"

HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?

GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...

GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.

So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.

HANNITY: So you would support the state's rights to choose on specific gun laws?

GIULIANI: Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem, like a few cities are now, kind of coming back, thank goodness not New York, but some other cities, maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules.

HANNITY: But generally speaking, do you think it's acceptable if citizens have the right to carry a handgun?

GIULIANI: It's not only -- I mean, it's part of the Constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then the restrictions of it have to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just remove that right. You've got to regulate, consistent with the Second Amendment.

GIULIANI: I was in favor of that as part of the crime bill. I was in favor of it because I thought that it was necessary both to get the crime bill passed and also necessary with the 2,000 murders or so that we were looking at, 1,800, 1,900, to 2,000 murders, that I could use that in a tactical way to reduce crime. And I did.

Who are you, and what is it exactly that I am supposed to be guilty of?

Read the whole conversation. I grew up in rural Minnesota, everyone had guns, and I support the right to bear arms. This conversation got started because of some questions I had in post 7, and everyone blew them out of proportion. Read a thread before you jump in with assumptions about people’s beliefs.

Of course, now I live in NYC (going on 8 years). It’s been a great lesson for me in how the other half lives and why things are the way they are here. Now, don’t go reading meanings into that which I haven’t explicity stated. I’m not defending it, just saying life is a little more complex in a city of 8 or 9 million racially and economically disparate people. Try it sometime.

I checked the census info for my birthplace in MN — it is still about 97% white. They have absolutely no clue what it means to live, work, and play with people from every country, and to get along with those who are very different than you in beliefs and lifestyle. (Our city information line, 311 (or 212-NEW-YORK), has translators for 170 different languages.)

A lot of what happens here eventually reaches the less populated areas, for better or worse. Large cities are the womb of our cultures. They always have been. If you really want to make a difference in this country, move to a very large city and invest your life in it, repairing neighborhoods, teaching, and gaining influence through service. You will notice that is how the apostles spread the Gospel, and how the church grew. They preached in large cities, established churches, and went on to other regions, leaving the local leaders and church to spread the Gospel and its cultural renewal into the less populated areas.

Speaking of freedom, a large city in many ways offers better protection for people and their freedoms. Living in rural areas has its benefits, but minorities of all sorts have a hard go of it in small towns. When they move to a large city, they can achieve representation in government, meet with like-minded people, and protect each other.

It may interest you to know that the Old Testament supports this view of cities. They are portrayed as fortresses, places of refuge. Outside the city is seen as unsafe. God told us to multiply and cover the earth. That means cities. It doesn’t mean hide out in the sticks somewhere.

I have absolutely no quarrel with anyone who wants to own or carry a gun, anywhere in the USA. Let me make that clear. But our country has laws, and God has told us to obey the law and respect government.

If the GOP wants to have a future, it has to pull itself out of the 1800s and learn from its opponents. We could have enormous influence, or we could die out. Our attitude to others’ ideas is what will determine that.

LAW SCHOOLS USE GIULIANI TO TEACH FIRST AMENDMENT (Giuliani 101)
Associated Press | Nov 28, 1999 | Beth J. Harpaz
The Record. Bergen County, N.J.: Nov 28, 1999. pg. A.09

FR Posted on 04/12/2007 8:48:56 AM PDT by calcowgirl

Move over, Thomas Jefferson and the Pentagon Papers. The hottest topic in law school these days is New York’s Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who has been sued two dozen times on First Amendment grounds and lost nearly every case - including three in the last three weeks. “Lately it seems as if I could teach a First Amendment course just on Mayor Giuliani,” mused Amy Adler, a professor at New York University School of Law.

Professors say their favorite cases include Giuliani’s recent fight with the Brooklyn Museum of Art over a painting of the Virgin Mary decorated with elephant dung.

The mayor tried to cut the museum’s funding but a judge ruled he could not. Others are the New York magazine case, in which the courts said the mayor could not stop the magazine from buying ad space on city buses just because the ads poked fun at him, and numerous cases in which he tried to deny permits for demonstrations by groups ranging from taxi drivers to the Million Youth March to the Ku Klux Klan.

“It’s important in any area of the law to try to show students that what they’re learning is relevant,” said Michael Dorff, a Columbia Law School professor. “It’s
especially relevant in constitutional law because the backdrop is what is the proper role of the court with respect to questions that have an importantly political dimension? The beauty of living in New York is that the mayor is constantly generating classroom hypotheticals.”

But it is not just New York where Giuliani’s First Amendment follies are required reading.

“Giuliani is an object lesson of the temptation the government feels to enforce various orthodoxies,” said Bruce Miller, a professor at Western New England College of Law in Springfield, Mass.

“He’s like an archetype of the figure that the First Amendment was kind of aimed at protecting us from - the government official out of control.”

Robert O’Neil printed out copies of the judge’s decision on the Brooklyn Museum for the class he teaches at the University of Virginia Law School. We were talking about prior restraint - the removal of controversial books from school and public libraries - and this helps my students appreciate the currency and vitality of these issues,” O’Neil said.

O’Neil is also the director of the Thomas Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression, which recently gave Giuliani a lifetime “Muzzle Award” for “unprecedented disregard for freedom of expression in a wide variety of settings and contexts.”

Jeffrey M. Shaman, a professor at DePaul University College of Law in Chicago, says he uses the Giuliani cases “to talk about the idea that offensiveness of speech is not a reason to restrict it. And we use it to talk about the tendency of some governmental officials to overreach their authority and try to regulate speech they don’t like.”

The Giuliani administration doesn’t see it that way. “We are not against the First Amendment,” said Daniel S. Connolly, a lawyer with the corporation counsel, which represents Giuliani and the city. “The decisions made by this administration are not made against the First Amendment. They are made for independent reasons of public policy.

“If a group seeks to close off 29 city streets to hold a rally for 12 hours, as they did with the Million Youth March, we’re going to say no for public policy reasons, not because we’re against the First Amendment,” Connolly continued.

“If a group of taxi drivers wants to take 1,000 cars over the 59th Street Bridge at rush hour, we’re going to say no for public policy reasons, not because we’re against the First Amendment.”

Connolly added: “What all of this has been about is government maintaining its responsibility to everyone, while at the same time balancing the individual’s right to express themselves.”

Giuliani’s critics disagree. “The reason why I think professors are teaching Giuliani 101, in effect, is that this is a clear example of government abuse of authority,” said Norman Siegel, the director of the New York Civil Liberties Union and party to many of the anti- Giuliani lawsuits. The NYCLU is holding a conference called “The Muzzled Metropolis” next year about Giuliani’s First Amendment run-ins.

It’s not just law professors making Giuliani part of the curriculum. Ken Paulson uses the New York magazine and Brooklyn Museum cases in a class on continuing journalism education at the American Press Institute in Reston, Va.

“They really bring home to the class just how precarious a position the First Amendment is in on a daily basis,” he said.

RUDY IS CHILLED BY DRAFT; HE’S A DODGER: VETS

By CATHY BURKE April 15, 2007 NY POST

For a man intent on moving into the White House, Rudy Giuliani carries a lot of baggage - but it’s his draft-dodging past that may prove the biggest drag in the campaign, prominent veterans tell New York magazine in tomorrow’s issue. Speaking about terrorism and the Iraq war last week, Giuliani boasted, “It is something I understand better than anyone else running for president.”

But it was draft deferments that kept Giuliani, 62, out of Vietnam while he attended law school.

He was granted a 2-A occupational deferment for his job as a law clerk in 1969 after his boss, the late Manhattan federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon, wrote a letter to the local draft board - a move criticized years later as rare and questionable.

Law clerks were not on the 1968 list of critical jobs that qualified for occupational deferments. When the deferment expired in 1970, Giuliani became susceptible again - but lucked out with such a high draft number that it would have been unnecessary to attempt to continue his exemption. He was never called.

“Giuliani was opposed to the war in Vietnam on “strategic and tactical” grounds......” his spokesman added, although she wouldn’t offer specifics. —SNIP—

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152007/news/regionalnews/rudy_is_chilled_by_draft_regionalnews_cathy_burke.htm

If you walk through the thread of the conversation, you may find how and why the Bible got introduced. But generally, I begin with a Biblical view (as best I can) to reach conclusions on important matters.

The Bible is our first source of truth, our set of first principles, and our primary and ultimate view of the world and reality. Anything that contradicts it is wrong, even when it confounds us.

FR specifically states that it is “pro-God,” (the first in a long list of “pros”). Since the Bible is God’s message to mankind, it is relevant to most discussions. I would venture to say the majority of Freepers are Christian, Jewish, or friendly to Judeo-Christian ideas.

One cannot speak about any topic which deals with morals, principles, or human rights without touching on the major themes of the Bible, and specifically the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It is not when we lump knowledge and topics together that we run into problems. It is when we split them up and compartmentalize them that we become confused. Knowledge is interconnected, and all disciplines can be tied together.

Hoo-yah!

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The Rudy Giuliani Truth File in his own words and deeds - quotes, speeches, transcripts, clips, reports

Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"