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Giuliani Criticizes a U.S. Crackdown on Illegal Aliens
NYTimes Archives ^ | 08/23/1995 | David Firestone

Posted on 04/21/2007 7:51:46 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

Immigration restrictions gathering steam in the Republican-led Congress would have "catastrophic social effects" in New York City and other large cities, Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani said yesterday. He charged that the proposals violated basic decency and could throw as many as 60,000 immigrant children out of the city's schools and onto the streets.

Once again taking sharp exception with the dominant conservative wing of his own party, Mr. Giuliani said in an interview that the proposed crackdown on illegal immigrants was deliberately intended to play to the public's worst fears of foreigners, and did not take into consideration the positive effects of immigrants on cities like New York.

"It's based on an irrational fear of something different, something strange, that somehow they're going to take something away from us," he said. "A lot of it is just undifferentiated fear of foreigners, of people who appear to have different values or different ways of doing things."

In June, the Congressional Task Force on Immigration Reform, a Republican-dominated panel appointed by Speaker Newt Gingrich, issued a report containing dozens of recommendations on restricting illegal immigration.

The proposals, now being written into bills that are at various stages of consideration in House committees, would require public hospitals to report illegal aliens who seek medical treatment and would require public schools to turn away students who are in this country illegally. The report, which Mr. Gingrich endorsed, is similar to Proposition 187, a measure approved by California voters last November that would cut off most public benefits to illegal aliens.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; illegalimmigration; rudy; stoprudy2008
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To: doc1019

“Pro gun control and pro abortion stance does it for me … not getting my vote.”

It drives me crazy that we have to sit helplessly by and watch this leftist win the Republican nomination.

How does one organize a grassroots mutiny?


22 posted on 04/21/2007 8:18:58 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

“If we could survive Carter and Bubba, we can survive Hillary.”

Really? Well, just how many disasters *can* we survive? There has to be a limit, and it feels to me like we’re approaching it.


23 posted on 04/21/2007 8:20:57 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"It's based on an irrational fear of something different, something strange, that somehow they're going to take something away from us," he said. "A lot of it is just undifferentiated fear of foreigners, of people who appear to have different values or different ways of doing things."

No, Rudy, it is not. It is the fear of becoming Mexico or any third world country with only the social strata of the wealthy and the slave caste. It is the fear of having to watch the middle class disappear, the backbone of this country. It is the fear of taking on vast numbers of people who don't believe in ANYTHING this country stands for. It is the fear of having Americans once more accept near-slavery as something useful or helpful to the economy.

Spend a week in the SoCal suburbs and cities, Rudy.

24 posted on 04/21/2007 8:22:26 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: dsc
There has to be a limit, and it feels to me like we’re approaching it.

Civil War, Pt. II?

Honestly, I don't think Hillary has a chance. Her connection with Clinton corruption is just too ingrained in the populace; she'd probably be just as divisive to the Dems as Rudy would be to conservatives.

25 posted on 04/21/2007 8:22:29 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: dsc
Why doesn’t this guy just jump to the Demnut side and be done with it?

I think the grassroots mutiny will happen on it’s own. No self-respecting conservative would indorse this guy.
26 posted on 04/21/2007 8:24:01 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Agreed . I ain’t votin’ for no RINO . The man I agree with most is Ron Paul , but he is the darkest horse in the field with little $$$ .


27 posted on 04/21/2007 8:24:46 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: dsc
How about throwing them out of the city’s schools and back to their own countries?

Touche'!

28 posted on 04/21/2007 8:24:59 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

“Civil War, Pt. II? “

More likely the death of the thousand cuts, as the left deprives us of our ability to defend ourselves as a country and a culture.


29 posted on 04/21/2007 8:38:52 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I wonder how long Rudy will be able to hang onto the shark ???


30 posted on 04/21/2007 8:39:23 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: dsc

“Leper in the bedroom...”

Oh great, just brought to mind the old Sam Kinnison tapes I have around here ~somewhere~


31 posted on 04/21/2007 8:48:19 PM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Once again taking sharp exception with the dominant conservative wing of his own party Why is he doing it? I mean, even if he feels that way, is this a smart strategy?
32 posted on 04/21/2007 8:52:05 PM PDT by LFOD777 (In 2006, Washington spent $2.7 Trillion and ran a $248 billion budget deficit.)
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To: investigateworld

A person could probably get bounced off FR for quoting from that routine.

However, unlike real lepers, moral lepers represent a danger to our Republic.


33 posted on 04/21/2007 8:57:19 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: kots
I'm not defending Fred Thompson. However, a lot of 'R's have taken moderate positions on this issue in the past when they thought it good politics, or, at least, politics that would get them votes. Today, after a flood of illegals (30 million according to the last I read), this is clearly no longer the case. The problem is that 'R' don't have the guts or have sold out to business interests and the RATs are simply supporting the loss of our nation for new slave on their plantation. Any candidate that plays that game, today, is beyond the pale. We face a lot of crisis today and leaders that won't lead, play to numbers or sit on the fence are reprehensible, if not treasonous.
34 posted on 04/21/2007 8:57:42 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (ought)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Rudy Giuliani has made too many flip flops during his years in politics for my likeing and I don’t think his stands on illegal immigration and the Second Amendment are going to help me vote for him at all.


36 posted on 04/21/2007 8:58:08 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: LFOD777

“Why is he doing it? I mean, even if he feels that way, is this a smart strategy?”

One thing about leftists that you can depend upon is that they overestimate by orders of magnitude the percentage of the population that agrees with them on any given issue.

He probably things there are just a few noisy conservatives, and most Republicans really agree with him.


37 posted on 04/21/2007 8:59:18 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: sushiman

He’s agin’ guns and fer illegals and killin’ babies.

Some folks here about figger he’s our best hope.

Me neither.


39 posted on 04/21/2007 9:00:01 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (ought)
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To: EYE33

“I hate to break this to the Rudy Pootie Bots, but true conservatives are never going to vote for this fraud. “

I held my nose and voted for Bush, but I just can’t control my gag reflex on this one.


40 posted on 04/21/2007 9:00:26 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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