I was speaking more in a rhetorical sense about the people on the thread that feel they have to lie about Giuliani (that is where the whole 16,000 plus posts started). He is not a socialist. He cleaned up NYC, and by all appearances was the only mayor who has ever been able to do this. NYC is the equivalent population and problem level of most countries in the world. He’s law and order and tough on terror, and if you think he and Hillary are alike in that area, then you’re deluded. If you like what the Clintons did to the CIA before, you’ll like it even better when they get the chance to do it again.
By all means, try to get your candidate popular to the majority. But you’ll also have to convince people that your priorities trump that of terror, crime, and other issues where Giuliani has a proven record.
No one is much disputing that Giuliani cleaned up New York. We are disputing some of the details and some are pointing out that the end was not justified by the means in which he did it. Some are of the opinion that while he cleaned up NYC, some of his methods and governance were socialistic in nature. Stopping crime and cleaning up the streets is easy if you are a dictatorial authoritarian who denies citizens some of their basic freedoms.
By all means, try to get your candidate popular to the majority. But you’ll also have to convince people that your priorities trump that of terror, crime, and other issues where Giuliani has a proven record.
Why, that's a great idea! So, the owner of this forum realized that his forum was being hijacked by those who want to keep their liberal candidate, whose views and positions are in opposition to the conservative values of this forum, and the owner decided to clear the decks so that the candidates who better represent the stated values of this forum could be promoted by the users of this forum without disruption or discouragement. Get it? And to better balance the playing field to give the conservative candidates the help they need, we have to knock Giuliani down a few notches by educating as many people as possible about his liberal views and his liberal record as Mayor of NYC.
OK, the squeegee boys make another appearance. Great for mayors, a little different for CiC's. Don;t get me started on the role of the federal government in law enforcement -- you'll find my libertarian streak usually makes an appearance around then.
and tough on terror,
There have been at least 100 requests for the basis of that statement on this thread alone, plus untold others on previous threads and I have yet to see an adequate answer. I am really trying to not be smarmy, but from I have seen, the JulieAnnie supporters have put on their emerald slippers, tapped the heels three times while chanting "he's tough on terror" and {poof} its true.
He is not a socialist.
No, but he is a social liberal. As much a social liberal as any 'rat running. And since I have to shave, I need to retain my ability to look in the mirror. I can't vote for a candidate that gives a thumbs up to murdering babies.
I need more than ghost stories about the Chthullo boogeyman and what will happen to the CIA; and I'll go you one better -- the 'rats took over congress last time by running to the right of the GOP candidate and if the GOP drinks the Rudy kool-aid, Hillary will demolish him in the general by doing the same thing.
Just a question -- RG's positions on 2nd Amendment/RTKBA, abortion, gay marriage, etc. -- are those OK with you?