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To: Mom MD

I would love to talk science. I even used to be a member of the American Society for the Advancement of Science, back in the 80s. But the warfare that took place made it hard to discuss why you thought someone’s research was good or stupid, or what the implications of something was. I just decided that this probably wasn’t the best forum for that type of discussion, read the articles and went on to other things.

It’s like the futility of trying to discuss climate change. Climates change. We don’t understand why, exactly, in all details. But it is soooooo politicized, it’s hard to honestly talk about the mechanics of it without running into junk science and the religion of environmentalism and those who are reacting against the religion of environmentalism.

I feel betrayed by those who have stolen science, which is a method of gathering information and studying it, and turned it into several different belief system, some flavors which have not a lot of connection to truth. I’m not sure which is worse, positivism or Gaia worship. Both stop true inquiry because of the mental blockers.

Before we moved, I was volunteering as a cataloger in a FS technical research library (empty nest time, and I was free to stretch my wings!). There’s so much good hard science out there about the environment, and land management and related issues. But it doesn’t make the news. And what’s worse is that the underlying assumptions of the environmental movement are starting to color the research decisions instead of pure investigation. And when that happens, you get more problems.

GIGO, garbage in, garbage out, is a fact of reality.

But maybe I’m just a knowledge idealist. I believe in the pursuit of truth. And what the truth is, it is.

Pope Benedict, back in his pre-Pope days said “Truth is not determined by a majority vote.” But there are sure a lot of people who want it to be so.


12,235 posted on 04/27/2007 9:26:55 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

“GIGO, garbage in, garbage out, is a fact of reality.”

That’s always a great analogy, or should I say reality :)


12,238 posted on 04/27/2007 9:37:37 AM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

One last comment I didn’t get in. I for one believe science is a tool, and not something to believe in. Do I believe in a knife? Do I believe in data collections? Nope, I use the knife, I use the data collections.

And for the moment, rant over.


12,243 posted on 04/27/2007 9:43:29 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I agree entirely

You might want to look at your local bookstore or science library - there are actually mult books by hard core scientists with scientific evidence to support creation over evolution - quite a eyeopener for me as I was taught only evolution even in Christian colleges

There is a lot of info people choose to ignore, it “can’t” be science if it happens to support religion.


12,274 posted on 04/27/2007 11:01:25 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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