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To: ansel12
I looked at a few pages of your posts and it makes me wonder why you would not prefer the Darwin site.

Your only interest is in anti Christian crusading, and while you can indulge that on a few threads here, it is such a small part of FR that it would make sense that this is not be your primary forum.

The crystal ball is cloudy today. You are wrong, about my having an "only interest," that an interest of mine is "anti Christian crusading," and about what would make sense for me. You're batting .000.

It appears you are making a common error -- that my pointing out that A's idea that A's interpretation of A's religion should govern how science works is an attack on Christianity or on religion in general. It's not.

It is great to have a passion but like you say on your home page it is also good to share ideas with like minded people.

The link you send us to on your home page is where you find your like minded people, FR seems to be where you find your arguments.

Did you see the part of my home page that notes that I've been a member here since 1997? That's enough time to have developed a feel for the place. There was a time when I did find many like-minded people here. The conversations, and, yes, debates were fascinating. Unfortunately, many of the people involved have been banned. Some have left in disgust.

I fear that instead of providing a thought-provoking venue for the exchange of ideas that would make us all more informed and better able to express our opinions, the site is now drifting into a gray, group-think fog, where any unauthorized thought is suspicious at best and heresy at worst.

Tell me I'm wrong. Please.

10,953 posted on 04/26/2007 8:59:39 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs

“Unfortunately, many of the people involved have been banned.”

I’m all for scientific discussion. However your analysis above is not science and is completely incorrect. The truth is they have banned themselves by slamming conservative candidates and icons like RWR, and a tactic to support liberal Giuliani. It’s a conservative site. It’s not rocket science.

“Some have left in disgust.”

Actually they left in shock when they realized that their troll friends got to close to the light. Be careful that bug zapper still has juice.


10,957 posted on 04/26/2007 9:09:56 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Gumlegs
Now lurking elsewhere after nearly ten years (see sign-up date above).

There was a time when I proudly told people I was a FReeper and invited like-minded individuals to this site.

That time is now past.

I am a deeply conservative individual who thinks for himself and arrives at his own conclusions, no matter how double-plus bad they might be. Alas, I find I do not fit the present FR mold.

I have always believed that politics is the art of the possible. I'll get what I can today and hope for more tomorrow.

Around here, that is the functional equivalent of heresy. The All-Or-Nothing mentality may be effective when designing battleships, but it's self-defeating when attempting to persuade the American people.

I enjoy conversations with people who also think for themselves.

Around here, people like that are rapidly becoming extinct, banned for thought-crime.

We're at war with Oceania. We have always been at war with Oceania.

Yes. We're at war with Eurasia. We've always been at war with Eurasia.

It has become more than obvious that independent thought is no longer welcomed at FR. So be it.

FReepers wondering what I’m getting at should study the work of George Orwell.

Alas for FR.

Your profie page sure looks like an Opus to me. Are you saying that Jim Robinson is "Big Brother" and that he's banning people for "thoughtcrime?" So, are you in this thread to commit suicide by cop because no one paid any attention to your Opus until now?

10,959 posted on 04/26/2007 9:12:58 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Gumlegs
the site is now drifting into a gray, group-think fog

Oh, puh-leeze. Certain elements on this site who largely joined in time for the lead up to the 2000 primaries (and who were mainly not part of the anti-Clinton roots of the site) have been trying to drag the site leftwards for the last seven years, with some degree of success, largely because of the desire to help Bush in dealing with the Dems post 9-11.

However, many of the same bunch, not having been content to drag a conservative website to the center of the GOP, now demanded that FR keep going leftward to the far liberal reaches of the GOP to support Rudy. And that requires foresaking core values such as pro-life and pro-gun that just are not negotiable.

For that, the Rudy boosters said socons were out of touch, that we were dolts for worrying so much about gun rights, that the president can't do anything about abortion anyway, and that hard-core anti-Clinton activists must want Hillary elected.

They decided to ridicule conservatives and denigrate conservative values - and it blew up in their faces. So they only have themselves to blame.

10,961 posted on 04/26/2007 9:18:09 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Gumlegs

I like FR and think that the reasons are so obvious that they don’t need explaining, we all come here because we want to, and we enjoy it, I come here because of the like minded people I find.

I read your home page and it said that you don’t find like minded people here, and that is why you spend time at that Darwin site. I went to the Darwin site and at least a portion of that is devoted to you guys getting things together for your assaults on FR.

Some of the postings analyze Jim’s fund raising, and discuss how long it will be before FR fails, others just recharge their batteries and renew their energies before they hop back over to here to take on the freepers again.

They even have a forum devoted to their work and success or failures on other forums
http://www.forum.darwincentral.org/viewforum.php?f=13&sid=95e667da85268d8fa8f2881fb5c940f4

It seems to me that that site is the heart of a propagandizing group that then fans out and works on the members of other forums on the internet, such as freerepublic.


10,964 posted on 04/26/2007 9:22:14 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: Gumlegs
Around here, people like that are rapidly becoming extinct, banned for thought-crime.

No, they are banned for using a conservative website to promote a liberal and bash conservative candidates and conservative values.

So tell us - did you object when liberal trolls who did the same in the past were banned and ridiculed?

Or are all liberals equal, but some are more equal than others?

10,965 posted on 04/26/2007 9:23:48 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Gumlegs; ansel12; T'wit; Spiff; Jim Robinson
I fear that instead of providing a thought-provoking venue for the exchange of ideas that would make us all more informed and better able to express our opinions, the site is now drifting into a gray, group-think fog, where any unauthorized thought is suspicious at best and heresy at worst.

Tell me I'm wrong. Please.

YOU'RE WRONG,

There have been several long-time FReepers who, possibly like yourself, were either never conservative in the first place or somehow digressed into liberalism over time.

I'm sure to many of you it seems as though there is some sort of "group think" here, but that is because genuine conservative principles are foreign to you.

From your postings, it is fairly obvious that you came here at the request of another Darwin Central member who was banned last night for pathetic FReepmails and he had recently been suspended for openly telling this same FReeper to go "F*&# Himself" and before you call me a liar, I was there to witness it and hit the abuse button at the time.

So, why don't you do what your homepage says and go back among your Darwinist cohorts and extoll the virtues of why an unprovable theory is superior to Christianity.

10,968 posted on 04/26/2007 9:26:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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