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FOX NEWS: SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN
Fox News Channel ^ | 18 April 2007 | Fox News Channel

Posted on 04/18/2007 7:14:49 AM PDT by Spiff

Edited on 04/18/2007 8:48:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: TampaDude
...you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

No. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. You asserted that it is our consciousness and self-awareness that make us human--those are your words.

What are we before we are conscious? before we are self-aware?

What about the brain-damaged individual who may achieve physical consciousness but never attains a sense of self? Are they ever human? It seems to me that your criteria for what makes us humans is incredibly vague. Maybe that's just something we'll never agree on, because I abhor vague.

881 posted on 04/19/2007 5:34:10 AM PDT by grellis (Femininist)
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To: metmom
So this is what you're in favor of?

I sure hope I've made it perfectly clear that those are not my views.

882 posted on 04/19/2007 5:35:54 AM PDT by grellis (Femininist)
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To: Spiff; TampaDude
I get it now--at least, I see where you're going with the whole "...babies surviving at 22-weeks" crap. Viability. Another stupid, vague argument that those in favor of abortion love to trot out. You social liberals just thrive in the grey zone, dontcha? You can't see anything as black or white, right or wrong. A perfectly healthy baby delivered at 40 weeks isn't viable. Leave her to her own devices and she will be dead in three days. The viability argument also sanctions mercy killing of an enormous swath of people---the physically handicapped, the mentally handicapped--anyone who must rely on a fellow human being for their continued existence.

I know where you stand now, td--I actually want to thank you for admitting that you're a social liberal. I can get back to my life now.

883 posted on 04/19/2007 5:49:22 AM PDT by grellis (Femininist)
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To: Spiff

FINALLY!


884 posted on 04/19/2007 6:00:24 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Hillary sings like Granny Clampett auditioning for "American Idol")
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To: Outland
“This is why it’s so important we nominate a conservative for president in 08 and not compromise on a moderate or liberal just because they are more popular with the media.”

“So very true.”

Finally after a half a dozen replies from Rudybots telling me I’m wrong, someone who agrees.

885 posted on 04/19/2007 6:06:31 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Spiff

Prayers for the unborn.


886 posted on 04/19/2007 6:13:02 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: NavyCanDo

Fred Dalton Thompson


887 posted on 04/19/2007 6:59:56 AM PDT by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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To: Spiff

This is really wonderful news.


888 posted on 04/19/2007 7:08:49 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SFConservative

:) Thank you.


889 posted on 04/19/2007 7:18:13 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: dannyboy72

“Fred Dalton Thompson”

Bumper sticker already on the family car.


890 posted on 04/19/2007 7:20:13 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: jude24; Mr. Silverback; P-Marlowe

Since it’s a human, it is homicide. Kill a human, and you’ve got homicide.

There’s the justifiable kind and the non-justifiable kind. The first incurs no penalty, the 2nd requires some action.


891 posted on 04/19/2007 8:14:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Vicomte13; jwalsh07
If we as a society override the mother’s desire to abort the child, then we, as a society, are going to have be ready to pick up the tab.

Who cares if it's her desire to abort. Lots of people have desires to do lots of things and it's not society's job to pick up the tab on those things. It's their baby, not mine. They pay for it.

892 posted on 04/19/2007 8:36:39 AM PDT by ukie55
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To: Vicomte13
The babies who are born to the deadbeats because we have outlawed abortion?

Abortion is allowed and those deadbeats are still having babies because it pays to have more kids. They don't feed or take care of them. Those kids roam the streets dirty, hungry, underdressed and unsupervized while the tramp mothers are inside drinking, doing drugs, or doing tricks.

It's not my responsibility to take care of a bunch of lazy good for nothings because they won't grow up, get off their butts, and go out and earn a real living.

Welfare just encourages dependency. These teenaged girls want to get out from under their irresponible parent(s) thumbs so they go out and get pregnant so the DSS will put them on welfare, provide them with an apartment and a welfare check. They don't finish high school and so become another leech on society thinking they deserve handouts because that's the way they were rasied and that's the way they're going to raise their kids.

They are some of the most arrogant, self-rigtheous, martyr complex people I've ever met. I have yet to see an exception to this rule and I lived in a welfare town for 18 looooong years. I saw it all.

Welfare is a curse on society and the family. It needs to go and using it as an excuse to promote abotion is dispicable.

893 posted on 04/19/2007 8:47:04 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Vicomte13

Those *parents* don’t feed those kids anyway. If it weren’t for free breakfast and lunch deals at the schools, some of those kids would hardly eat. I knew these families and fed their kids. Those kids talked to me and told me things I didn’t dream of. It’s not the money.


894 posted on 04/19/2007 8:49:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jude24
Don't post your opinions on a public internet forum if you can't handle being challenged.

As for asking for opinions, if JimRob or any other member of the FR staff personally asked you to come to FR and promote the murder of small children, please go ahead and forward me that message via freepmail.

895 posted on 04/19/2007 8:56:56 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: grellis
Yes, he is vague. What is viable and who determines the definition?

The criteria for what determines “value” among the human species has changed throughout history, depending upon who is in charge. Slavery is an example, once perfectly legal in this country and throughout the world. Also, every atrocity that was perpetrated by the Nazi’s was done legally through their court system. As other posters have pointed out, genocide's have occurred throughout history and the world, each group believing it “justifiable”.

From a philosophical and moral standpoint, either all human life has value, even in the womb, or no human life has value, but is dependent on “circumstance”.

896 posted on 04/19/2007 9:19:39 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: AntiGuv
[A]ffirming the federal government's power to regulate abortion per se thereby affirms a central tenet of Roe v Wade. Without that power, Roe v Wade is effectively moot.

You miss the point here. In Roe the SCOTUS used the Constitution as a pretext to make abortion an unassailable federal constitutional right. Here there is plenty of actual authority for Congress to pass the PBA ban.

Furthermore, if Roe is overruled, Congress should have authority to proscribe abortion under section 5 of the 14th Amendment. It is also possible that SCOTUS could hold that states may not allow abortion since the 14th Amendment states that "no state shall . . . deprive any person of life . . . without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." To me, if a state proscribes the murder of its born persons, and fails to do the same for its unborn persons, then it has violated the equal protection clause.

Don't kid yourself. This is not purely a state issue. There are plenty of textual grounds in our Constitution for the federal government to delve into this area. It just happens that Roe was an illegitimate use of judicial authority, thereby creating the big mess (and holocaust) we have today.

897 posted on 04/19/2007 9:23:42 AM PDT by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Just for anyhow, I traced back your 'conversation' from yesterday.........though I am quite amused that you think you're important enough for people to 'follow' you through a thread before commenting on your words.

It didn't make any difference in my response, Jeff.

What you said was inexcusable. Not to mention stupid......

You should be ashamed of yourself.

898 posted on 04/19/2007 9:55:05 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: trisham

Yes this is wonderful news! Thank God! Thank you, President Bush! Now let the abortionists who do this infanticide be arrested and jailed if they do one more partial birth abortions!


899 posted on 04/19/2007 9:58:31 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Yes. Thanks be to God.


900 posted on 04/19/2007 10:37:40 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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