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1 posted on 04/17/2007 11:21:47 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky

Give me McCain any day over this lifelong liberal gun grabber!


2 posted on 04/17/2007 11:28:41 AM PDT by meandog (If it feels good, don't do it!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Rudy’s mother, Helen Giuliani, told Barrett. “He’s definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn’t.”

Mommy knows best.


4 posted on 04/17/2007 11:31:43 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
LIES! LIES! Nothing but ... LIES!
Don't you know only Rudy can beat Hillary and win the 'War on Terror'!

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5 posted on 04/17/2007 11:35:05 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Speaking of gun-grabbers (there’s been much talk of them lately) will somebody tell me why it was when Jesus Christ himself died (oops! I mean Ann Richards — the worship of her on this site on her death confused me for a moment) anyway, when she died (gun grabber, TWICE vetoing CCW legislation) she was worshipped, but ALL the other gun grabbers are rightly reviled as sub-human pieces of dung?


6 posted on 04/17/2007 11:41:40 AM PDT by RayStacy
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This is pure b.x. Here’s the real record—most of it conservative. He used Reaganomics to put NYC in the black for the first time in fifty years. He saved hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars by reorganizing the police force and transit authority and trash collection agencies. He cut taxes and levies over and over, saving billions for taxpayers. He cut NYC’s top income-tax rate by 20.6%. Local city taxes on a family of four dropped 23.7%. He cut the commercial-rent tax. He cut sales taxes, including taxes on clothing. He cut the marriage penalty tax. He cut taxes on commercial rents and on small businesses and self-employed New Yorkers. He privatized municipal assets, selling city-owned radio and television stations and divested the City from the New York Coliseum adding $345 million to erase the City’s red ink. He cut NYC’s hotel tax from 6% to 5%. Tourism increased 50% in the city per year during Rudy’s tenure. Personal income increased 50%. Unemployment in the city went form 10.3% to 5.1%.

And that was only his conservative fiscal policy. He also reduced crime in NYC by 64%, the murder rate alone by 67%. He fired thousands of dead wood bureaucrats and used the money saved to put more cops on the beat. He shut down porn shops throughout the downtown tourist areas and kicked them out of residential neighborhoods. He went after drug lords—something unheard of in NYC. He also went after the welfare cheats, removing illegal recipients, cutting the outlay for welfare by 20%. Over 600,000 recipients were dropped from the roles. At the same time he began a work requirement program for remaining recipients. He ended the set-aside program for minority contractors, refused to meet with Al Sharpton, and otherwise refused to be cowed by racial politics. He refused to lower job requirements for minorities and women. He pushed to reform the city’s schools and supported school vouchers—another view that went against the liberal grain. Ditto his fight against using public money for anti-religious art displays. How is any of this liberal?

In all of this he was fought by the liberal media, beginning with the NYTimes. But he fought back and won, turning around a dying city with a population bigger than most states. Nor was he just successful as mayor. He was famous as a U.S. Attorney in the Reagan administration long before he became mayor, amassing more than 4,000 convictions, with only 25 reversals. He was constantly on the evening news for spectacular achievments: he broke the back of NY’s organized crime, for instance, bringing the five family heads of NY’s notorious Mob to trial and sending them away for long prison terms—at great risk to his own life. He went after Wall Street white collar criminals like insider trader Ivan Boesky and junk bond dealer Michael Milkin. And he destroyed NY’s notorious political machine, sending some of its most corrupt politicians to prison. He also prosecuted terrorists and illegal immigrants. All this was before his coolheaded leadership on 9/11 won the admiration of most Americans.

Sure he espoused liberal social causes like abortion and gun-control. But he was mayor of the most liberal city in America, not South Bend, IN—and even in this, his positions are not as extreme as the Rudy-bashers like to intimate. On abortion he has publicly promised he would appoint strict constructionists as judges—and strict constructionists like Ted Olson on backing him. That’s a huge concession and would effectively cancel out the effects of any personal liberal position he might hold. Personally, I’d trust him on this issue far more than I’d ever trust McCain or Thompson. And his position on gay rights and on gun control is to keep the federal government out of these issues and leave them to the local governments. Again, fine by me. On immigration, his view is the same as President Bush’s—he’s for a guest worker program. Nothing especially alarming about that—many good conservatives hold this view.


7 posted on 04/17/2007 11:47:26 AM PDT by writeblock
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Rudy is a MODERATE! i.e., a REAL REPUBLICAN!


8 posted on 04/17/2007 11:49:18 AM PDT by tkathy
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Rudy could be caught on `News Around the World’ in bed with a live boy or a dead girl, and some here would say he was just poling a voter.

And technically that would be true.


12 posted on 04/17/2007 12:12:50 PM PDT by tumblindice ("I just wanted to smear cooking oil on his bald head, ".....Live Boy)
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In the wake of yesterday’s senseless tragedy, we only need ask ourselves one question:

If he were president, what would Rudy do?


13 posted on 04/17/2007 12:12:55 PM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: Ol' Sparky

Good post.

There is no disputing the truth, and that truth being that this man is as liberal as they come.


20 posted on 04/17/2007 12:38:21 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTOL=SLAVERY)
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And when conservatives attacked him during that 1993 mayoral campaign, Giuliani said, "Their fear of me is that I'm going to be a beachhead for the establishment of a more progressive form of Republicanism."

Geeeeee, yathink???

Not to worry, though--as the JulieAnnie apologists keep promising us that he will not do that. /s

34 posted on 04/17/2007 1:03:25 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative President who will be a 'pit-bull' in the War on Liberalism too!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
"I do not look to see what the catechism of conservatism says about how to solve a problem."

Thus displaying nearly total ignorance of how freedom not only solves problems, but prevents them in the first place. Apparently he thinks coercion is the only way to get things done.

40 posted on 04/17/2007 1:12:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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"Their fear of me is that I'm going to be a beachhead for the establishment of a more progressive form of Republicanism."He's got that right.
43 posted on 04/17/2007 1:18:22 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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"He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't. He still feels very sorry for the poor."

I am sick and tired of references implying that only democrats love the poor......the difference as I see it is that the dems give hand outs while the republicans give them a hand up.

47 posted on 04/17/2007 1:28:24 PM PDT by tioga
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