Heads Must Roll At Virginia Tech ...(assumed domestic violence ???)

Peace and Freedom ^ | April 17, 2007 | John E. Carey

[Cold Heat]

I incorrect assumptions were the result of witness statements to investigators, which at the time was all they had to go on and they were pursuing a person of interest who had left the campus at the time of the second shoot.

Like 9/11, there were no logical dots to connect in the evidence chain and it would have taken leaps of faith and feelings to come up with any other scenario, at the time.

Police are trained NOT to do that and to go where the evidence leads them..

There is no point in this criticism that I can see, that is valid.

[missnry]

It still continues on the thread:

Probably most people on this thread never had to experience this type of experience. I HAVE! My brother was shot WITH A 9 MM and IN A SCHOOL where he was an Instructor. He was shot by a "distraught" student. In this case the student was being academically dropped from the US Navy Electronics school at Great Lakes Naval Training Center. The lunatic shot and killed a Sr. Chief at point blank range and then proceeded to attempt to murder all of his other instructors. He wounded two other chiefs that he felt were responsible for his being dropped from the course. TWO THINGS SAVED MY BROTHERS LIFE THAT DAY: The first thing that happened was the sound of the 9mm going CLICK, CLICK, CLICK! The second was him and another instructor jumping up and tackling the looneytune to the ground and holding him until the POLICE arrived.
With reference to VT: 2600 ACRES ... my calculation is that the size of the campus is 4 square miles! Does anyone know how to LOCK DOWN a 4 SQUARE MILE AREA with over 100 buildings with probably HALF the population SLEEPING?

[muawiyah]

We had a "you may all go home now" firedrill at work one day because a "domestic dispute" involved a guy who parked his girlfriend's car in the basement garage with the trunk full of dynamite.

Just because you see dead bodies around doesn't mean the killer is done with you.

[laotzu]

Thanks. Yours bears repeating:

Cops do not have ESP. They do not prevent crimes. They try to catch the criminal after the fact. If they could prevent crimes, we would not have crime

[sitetest]

Dear over3Owithabrain,

“EVERY building in the area should have had a squad car or two protecting it and going through it, ASAP.”

In that there are more buildings (over 100) on the campus at Virginia Tech than there are armed police officers (entire police department - 74 full-time employees) in Blacksburg, Va, that might not have been practical.

Or even remotely physically possible.

As well, why stop there? Why assume that the killer would have gone a rampage on campus? Maybe he might go on a rampage somewhere else in the city of Blacksburg? If the police had sent the entire force to the campus, still unable to get as much as one police officer per building, what would have folks thought if the killer had gone on a rampage in the rest of Blacksburg?

“That is common sense.”

If you say so.

sitetest

[betsyross1776]

You are so correct and what would we do if there was a major attack on campus? We are at war.I know this sounds screwy but this is the same time of Adolf Hitler’s birthday. Every year something terrible happens.

[over3Owithabrain]

That’s the part that gets me - by their own words, the authorities say they had “reason to believe” the killer was long gone, perhaps in another state. Well that obviously was not inevitable. Even if you “hear” that the guy left Dodge, you still operate on the assumption an armed deranged killer is on the loose and starting from the immediate area, work outward, combing through nearby buildings, warning the citizenry, etc. The first double murder in a building full of students (not somebody’s home in the boonies hence NOT domestic) was horrific enough to warrant immedaite and complete action. There was a “nothing to see here” - holding a coffee and donut mentality to this, either by incompetence or a desire to downplay the initial incident for PR reasons. The truth will come out, and as much as I usually despise the press, this is one of those cases where they are useful in rooting out deceit and negligence.

[woodbutcher]

My own son is a cop. If he were here and not on duty he would say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It is better to air on the side of caution then to have a tragedy like this one. VT IS NO CITY < IT IS A College.Therefore security comes first.

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Great!

So if we only knew what city your son works for, we would know where we can live and never worry about crime. He can stop it before it starts.

Many mothers think their son is Superman. I am glad to hear that your son really is.

If he is really that good, he should go to Blacksburg and get the job as chief. He could then assure them that there would be no more crime at VT.

But then I have another question. If he is that good, why didn’t he move there last month and none of this would have happened?

Cops do not prevent crime. If the could, there would be no more crime.

All they can do is chase the bad guys.

[laotzu]

How about...

OK. You guys win. Someone must be blamed right now!!!

As always, Geraldo has reported all we need to know to lynch someone. We let those Duke guys slip through our fingers....not again!! Lets ruin them publicly, then..the rope!!

[IrishMike]

Just about everybody was focused on possible terrorism or fire. I thought tornado activity had an appreciable risk but couldn’t get much attention.

That evening an F5 class tornado wiped out the downtown of nearby La Plata, MD.

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Must admit terrorism, fire and natural disasters are the three events most planned for,
but many including myself were overwhelmed this week by the rainfall levels in the tri-state area.
I’ve seen flood damage, nothing on this scale.

[over3Owithabrain]

Uhh, the killing happended on campus, that’s where the double-murderer was last seen. So you start there and work outward, especially since it is a schoool with thousands of students, two of which were just killed. You are trying to downplay this scenario by using faulty logic, that being since you can’t possibly cover all the bases don’t cover any. They did not comb through the nearby vicinity to look for the loose armed killer, they confined everything to the one dorm and shrugged the rest off for two hours. They might have been playing the odds that their assumption would hold and the guy would be caught in some Delaware motel on Thursday. Well, they were wrong. Defend them if you wish, I will bet you anything there will be admissions of wrongdoing and imcompetence in a relatively short amount of time. Heck, listening to their press conferences now is enought to see that they KNOW they blew it.

[laotzu]

Just because you see dead bodies around doesn't mean the killer is done with you

Wow...thanks.

The only thing a dead body means is that someone died, not "Red Alert" panic.

[betsyross1776]

If we cannot lock down 4 sq miles what would we do if someone had a nuclear suitcase bomb and we needed a lock down of a bigger area? Due to the fact things do happen like this and this could save lives, if we do not know how to do this ?We should darn well learn. We better learn from our mistakes here or we are doomed to repeat them. May God say I am wrong. But we must learn( if we do not know how to do this ) to prevent worse then maybe this happening.This is terrible , 33 people are dead.We have to learn if it is to hire more security, buy cameras, or teach our kids what to look for we have to learn. Too many people are in morning today. Too many good people died yesterday. it is our duty to see to it their memory is not on the history channel, but this is prevented in some way from this terrible time.

[over3Owithabrain]

Way to attack the mom with a cop son - feel better? In this case the crime already started, and the guy who committed double murder stayed in the immediate area for two hours, reloaded, and walked into a nearby building to kill dozens of students and teachers who were kept in the dark. Yep, nothing to see here folks. It’s cruel to question the cops and the administration...

[goldstategop]

The only thing cops seem good at is extracting more revenue from the rest of us in the form of traffic tickets. That reduces my respect for them. They go after easy targets of opportunity sand what's really criminal about their behavior, if you want to put it that way, is they are nowhere to be found when a real crime is a committed. These are the people we pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep us safe and they're not up to the job. They couldn't protect our kids at VA Tech yesterday.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[familyop]

"By "lack of follow-through" do you mean finding and detaining the ex-boyfriend of the female victim at an off-campus site? Is that what you mean?"

No. I was referring to the possibility of posting men around the campus to watch for further non-domestic problems.

[latina4dubya]

there’s shooting on the campus—so go to your class cautiously... two people have been killed in a dorm today... we don’t have the murderer... let’s send out some emails two hours later to warn everybody... why let students even come onto campus after the first shootings? i know—it’s huge campus... however, they were able to shut the huge campus down after round two... to me, seems like a non-chalant approach... to you it doesn’t... we just disagree...

[woodbutcher]

Must admit terrorism, fire and natural disasters are the three events most planned for,
but many including myself were overwhelmed this week by the rainfall levels in the tri-state area.
I’ve seen flood damage, nothing on this scale.
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I just cannot understand it.

You should have known. My 20/20 hindsight says that you are derelict in your duties for not having known and protected all of those innocent people.

[betsyross1776]

Wait a second I never posted my son is super man and all I posted was, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.If a police officer tells you to keep an eye out is he wrong? Face it that was just a personal attack on me. If you keep a weather eye out you can help prevent the crime if possible.Any officer would say to people who keep their eyes open, thank you for the call. It is natural and do ,call again if you see anything else .It is people like you who just want to attack people in this room that make furious . oh one more thing. I like my son, he has a tough job and some crimes could be prevented if people would look out for them selves. even the top cop in the country tells people top keep an eye out for crime. Why do you think they invented magruff the crime dog for decoration? You just want to personally attack me.

[muawiyah]

Dead bodies in college dormitories, particularly those with bullet holes in them, are extraordinarily unusual.

Most folks would probably think first of something like a drug overdose ~ not bullets.

That's real world stuff.

When that begins penetrating a 4 square mile campus out in the boondocks you'd better believe that something strange is going on.

Now, locking down a campus, or a town, really isn't all that practical, but notifying people that a mad dog killer with a gun is on the loose in the vicinity is.