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RUDY WILL SPEAK AT REV. PAT U (conman Rooty ditching conservatives off Repub party lifeboat)
NY POST ^ | April 16, 2007 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 04/16/2007 4:25:25 AM PDT by Liz

....Rudy Giuliani will speak tomorrow at the university founded by televangelist Pat Robertson, a major appearance for the former mayor...who holds liberal social views....Giuliani made his sharpest case for moving beyond social issues this weekend in Iowa, telling The Des Moines Register, "Our party is going to grow, and we are going to win in 2008 if we are a party characterized by what we're for, not if we're a party that's known for what we're against." Asked about abortion, he said, "Our party has to get beyond issues like that." Giuliani upset conservatives - and surprised supporters - by saying he favored public funding for abortion....His campaign quickly noted he wasn't proposing changes to current federal laws.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: liberalgiuliani; liberalrudy; lizhanover; rino; rinogiuliani; rinorudy; rudy2008; sickofrudy; stoprudy2008; verysickofrudy; veryverysickofrudy
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
You can say that cynical stuff all you want, but that is not what Rudy means.

Check his interview on Hannity & Colmes.

Rudy explicitly defines what he means by 'strict constructionist.'

 

GIULIANI: I would appoint judges that interpreted the constitution rather than invented it. Understood the difference of being a judge and a legislator. And having argued a case before the Supreme Court, having argued in many, many courts is something I would take very seriously.

HANNITY: So you would look for a Scalia, Roberts, Alito.

GIULIANI: Scalia is another former colleague of mine and somebody I consider to be a great judge. You are never going to get somebody exactly the same. I don't think you have a litmus test. But I do think you have a general philosophical approach that you want from a justice. I think a strict construction would be probably the way I describe it.

 

P.S. Re "litmus test":

If you ask a candidate for the Supreme Court how he would vote on Roe and he answers, he would have to recuse himself should that issue come before the court.

81 posted on 04/16/2007 11:31:00 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: BlackElk
>>>Fred Thompson ?

1000% !!!!!

I will max out my $ to him the day he announces. He is smart, real and a communicator. He actually has values, not a script like Hillary.

He would take no merde from the Woggies and be an inspiration to all.

82 posted on 04/16/2007 11:31:27 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Mia T

The question means that the questioner is out of touch with reality. We will defeat domestic terrorism rather easily. We will defeat Islamofascisti with some difficulty but defeat them we will. With the domestic evil of abortion, we have been at it for 34 years now since Herod Blackmun and his homicidal six pro-abort brethren on SCOTUS crammed babykilling in the tens of millionms down our throats. Still,there is no shortage of those who find those babies just soooooooo inconvenient, even in the atrophied Rockefeller wing of the GOP, and want the GOP to surrender on morals. No sale.


83 posted on 04/16/2007 11:33:18 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

I have never knowingly voted for a pro-abortion candidate or a gungrabber, and I do not intend to start now.

I am a Republican insofar as they are conservative, and not when they are not. If they forfeit my vote with a liberal nominee, it is not my decision, but theirs.


84 posted on 04/16/2007 11:33:26 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: MindBender26
Keep trying to paint us as one issue voters, maybe someday someone will believe you.

Can you tell me about Rudy's heroic efforts after 911. I keep hearing about all he did but can't find specifics on line.

My experience with a community devastated by a tornado gives me a little insight as to what a mayor, or leader has to deal with. Deaths, injuries, loss of jobs, loss of homes, loss of electricity and water for days, schools and nursing homes destroyed, and the clean up.

I realize 911 in NYC was an overwhelming ordeal for us all and we were all afraid that it wouldn't stop there, and indeed it didn't. But I am curious what Rudy did that was so incredibly special that other leaders haven't done or haven't gotten credit for?

85 posted on 04/16/2007 11:39:00 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I won't settle)
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To: BlackElk
Dear BlackElk,

If Mr. Giuliani wins the Republican nomination, then social conservatives will have already lost the election, as a liberal will be elected no matter what.

At that point, it will be important for social conservatives to look to the future, to see where we might go, having suffered serious electoral defeat in 2008.

For myself, I’ll probably vote third party.

I won’t vote for Mr. Giuliani, and of course, I won’t vote Democrat.


sitetest

86 posted on 04/16/2007 11:40:33 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Mia T
Rudy would not recognize a "strict constructionist" if one were to jump up and bite him. Neither would most of his supporters. He might be dependable on war (I actually think he would be). He is NOT dependable on guns, babies, marriages, taxes, judges and dozens of other issues but, if he were dependable, it would be our enemies who would depend upon his heresies on such matters.

Speaking of hyperbola, it is perfectly ridiculous to suppose that liberals (any liberals!) incuding Giuliani are MORE dependable even on war than are conservatives. The nonsense that we have to nominate a social issue surrnder monkey to beat Her Satanic Majesty or any other Demonrat, was destroyed by Reagan's massive victories despite identical wailing and moaning from the Rockefeller/Ford/Dole types.

87 posted on 04/16/2007 11:41:57 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: MindBender26

Then we are on the same page. God bless you and yours.


88 posted on 04/16/2007 11:43:13 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: George W. Bush

Aw shucks! Thank you! God bless you and yours as ever.


89 posted on 04/16/2007 11:44:31 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

We nominate at our own peril someone whose only executive experience and achievement is playing a president onstage.

In this age of clintonian surreality, we must resist the temptation of reversing the premise of reality TV to create an even more absurd product.

That said, Thompson is no conservative. He voted to eviscerate the First Amendment (which isn’t ‘First’ for nothing) just when we need it most-at election time. He is also part of the entrenched power in DC.

We will not solve our problems unless and until we purge DC of the professional pols and replace them with citizen politicians, people of exceptional caliber who will lend their expertise for a term or two and then return to their day jobs.


90 posted on 04/16/2007 11:44:48 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: BlackElk

... In the meantime, to protect the children—ALL the children—we must make certain the clintons do not retake the White House.


91 posted on 04/16/2007 11:47:57 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: sitetest

I appreciate your position but I was asking about Fred Thompson vs. the Demonrats. We are going to beat Rudy before he gets to the convention.


92 posted on 04/16/2007 11:48:08 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Mia T
And here is another comment he made on Hannity:

“A strict constructionist judge can come to either conclusion about Roe against Wade,” he said. “They can look at it and say, ‘Wrongly decided thirty years ago, whatever it is, we’ll over turn it.’ [Or] they can look at it and say, ‘It has been the law for this period of time, therefore we are going to respect the precedent.’ Conservatives can come to that conclusion as well. I would leave it up to them. I would not have a litmus test on that.”

93 posted on 04/16/2007 11:53:18 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (I won't settle)
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To: BlackElk; All
EARTH TO LAMAR: FRED THOMPSON LOOKING THE PART AIN'T ENOUGH
(41-second video FLUB)


FRED'S GREATEST ROLE?
an alternative theory of Senator Thompson's not-yet candidacy
94 posted on 04/16/2007 11:54:03 AM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Mia T
Rudy explicitly defines what he means by 'strict constructionist.'

Except Rudy later altered the definition of strict constructionist to have no real meaning when he said a strict constructionist could also uphold Roe as long-standing precedent.

Y'all can't even keep up with your own candidate's spin cycle.

95 posted on 04/16/2007 11:58:10 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Manic_Episode; Liz

“Rudy is an enemy to the US Contitution and to conservatism, and so are his supporters.”

The quintessential RINO!


96 posted on 04/16/2007 11:58:53 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Mia T
Gee, silly me! To think, I was taking the SCOTUS sanctioned surgical murder of 50+ million innocent babies as being worse than McCain-Feingold! Imagine. How could I be so, so, so insensitive? Clearly the right of issue groups to pad their payrolls and perks and pockets with last minute hysterical letters promising the seven plagues of Egypt unless the faithful empty those well-padded patriotic checkbooks was the purpose of the First Amendment and the Founders wanted tens of millions of babies slaughtered no matter what.

RIIIIIIIGHT!

Instead of Fred Dalton Thompson, we should (?????) elect the cross-dressing, babykiller supporting, gungrabbing, lavender canoodling supporting former mayor of New York??? I don't think so. Based upon your post, Wendell Willke must have been a really great candidate in 1940, Ross Perot in 1992, Alf Landon (daddy of abortion-loving Nancy Landon Kassebaum) and their liberal ilk would have made great presidents too! Each had "executive experience" unlike George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln (gag me but for other reasons), and others.

You keep on repeating a mantra about children born and unborn but provide no substance to the suggestion that you or your candidate support the unborn. That Rudy yaddayaddas about "strict constructionists" proves nothing. Whatever reason would Rudy have to lie??? Warmed-over Rockefellerist hysterics about the need to nominate issue surrender monkeys does not prevail.

97 posted on 04/16/2007 12:04:46 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

That is true.

Chief Justice Roberts said essentially the same thing.

Roberts stated that Roe is “settled as a precedent of the Court.”

At the same time, he repeatedly stated that he would not address how principles of stare decisis apply to any particular case.


98 posted on 04/16/2007 12:04:53 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

“I realize 911 in NYC was an overwhelming ordeal for us all and we were all afraid that it wouldn’t stop there, and indeed it didn’t. But I am curious what Rudy did that was so incredibly special that other leaders haven’t done or haven’t gotten credit for?”

Rudy arranged for 72 photo opps in 72 hours. Not an easy task, but he pulled it off.


99 posted on 04/16/2007 12:08:20 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Mia T
Yeah, but we trust CJ Roberts and AJs: Scalia, Thomas, Alito. Pro-lifers (with very GOOD reason) distrust AJs: Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg, and especially Kennedy (a turncoat). Breyer has voted in the majority that RICO does not apply to Operation Rescue. Rudy is not trustworthy on his atrocious track record on social issues to name judges and that alone will deprive him of the White House. Then there are guns, marriages and other issues. President Thompson will nominate the justices that are needed. Rudy will not. End of story.

Let me translate the legalese. Roberts said that Roe vs. Wade (34 years old and counting) is "settled law" but so was Plessy vs. Ferguson (railroad segregation upheld) handed down in 1894 or thereabouts when it was overturned UNANIMOUSLY by Brown vs. The Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas in 1954. With good reason, Roberts called Roe "settled law" but refused to say how he would rule on an attempt to overturn.

100 posted on 04/16/2007 12:20:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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