Posted on 04/16/2007 4:25:25 AM PDT by Liz
....Rudy Giuliani will speak tomorrow at the university founded by televangelist Pat Robertson, a major appearance for the former mayor...who holds liberal social views....Giuliani made his sharpest case for moving beyond social issues this weekend in Iowa, telling The Des Moines Register, "Our party is going to grow, and we are going to win in 2008 if we are a party characterized by what we're for, not if we're a party that's known for what we're against." Asked about abortion, he said, "Our party has to get beyond issues like that." Giuliani upset conservatives - and surprised supporters - by saying he favored public funding for abortion....His campaign quickly noted he wasn't proposing changes to current federal laws.
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I respect your opinion.
But, conversely, you cannot ignore my points:
1- If it’s Rudy vs. hillary, we, all of us, no matter what we do in this de facto two-party system of ours, will ‘voting’ for one of those two.
2- The abortion issue will, in the very near future, be mooted by technology.
3- We must choose a president who will protect all of our children, the unborn, the living, the not yet even imagined.
4- And surely we must make certain a person who will imperil all of our children is never elected.
Yeah, those pesky unborn children, eh Rudy?
As I said before, the only thing electorally each of us truly controls is our own vote.
In the end, if the choice is between those two, you WILL be picking between those two no matter what you do. All other options are but illusions in this de facto 2-party system of ours.
And what makes Rudy the only one who can do so?
Shouldn't you be drawing caricatures of Hillary Clinton or something?
I will not vote for a candidate who isn’t strong on the Constitution. I don’t care if there are two parties or 50. I honestly don’t care how anyone else votes, either. We either push someone who is strong on the Constitution, or we lose the very few remaining Constitutional liberties that we have left.
I don't understand why you and other bootlickers keep pushing the BS that the GOP has to "reach out" to "the middle" in order to win elections.
Rooty's a triple threat---he's dumb, power-mad AND the obedient lapdog of the Endless War maniacs.
Rooty kneels in obeisance, puckers-up, and does their bidding---or else Rooty can forget bigbuck campaign contributions, and all those engineered high poll numbers.
Rooty and his handlers are a clear and present dangers to the republic, as we know it........they intend to give liberals control over all facets of the US government.
This is not what the Founders had in mind. The danger is that Rooty and these power-mad maniacs would erase the system of checks and balances built into the system by the Framers.
The Repub Party has been very successful----because of conservative voting power. Many savvy conservatives observed years ago that power-hungry liberal types were eyeing the Repub party's successes and were inching over to takeover the party. No question---Rooty and his backers have every intention of dumping social Conservatives off the Repub Party lifeboat----to give liberals control over all aspects of the US government.
Trouble is The Plan relies on the ignorant assumption that conservatives are gonna roll over and play dead.
Ain't gonna happen.
As FReeper fromoccupiedga posted: It's equally important what kind of country a candidate wishes to preserve. Despots and dictators throughout history have waged wars. Should US soldiers fight to preserve a police state? Or one whose excesses rival that of Sodom? Americans had best be as careful when choosing leaders, as we are protecting national security, or the first will cost us the second. That's why Giuliani is wrong for America.
Just say no to Giuliani's demands that we sacrifice our brave military men/women, and US treasure, to keep the self-absorbed, Me-First Rudybots pacified.
The prospect that Giuliani would send even one American soldier to die to protect Rudy and his backers' liberal values is nothing short of revolting.
“We must choose a president who will protect all of our children, the unborn, the living, the not yet even imagined.”-me
And what makes Rudy the only one who can do so?
Shouldn’t you be drawing caricatures of Hillary Clinton or something?-you
At least you haven’t lost your sense of humor. ;)
I was talking about the hypothetical Rudy v hillary matchup. I never said Rudy was the only one who could protect all of our children.
But in order to protect all of our children from our enemies foreign and domestic, our candidate must first WIN.
And I happen to believe only Rudy can win.
That said, I will suppose whichever R gets the nomination.
make that ‘support.’
That said, I will support whichever R gets the nomination.
If you are resistant to outlawing abortion as we outlaw other homicides, then you are, well, pro-abortion. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
We, as a society, may allow abortion or we may outlaw it. For some of us and we are many, 50+ million babies murdered is quite enough and then some.
Let’s say it’s November, 2008. Rudy is the Republican nominee. Hillary is the Dem nominee.
Do you vote?
Who for?
Your expose of the libertine and immoral Goldwater was excellent. FR is lucky to have you as a forum member.
Thank you for some logic though I know that the hate toward Rudy G is just self defeating from the posters here. Look, Rudy G is not the perfect Ronaldus Magnus clone. But then no one is. OK, if not Rudy, Mitt or Fred? I would vote for the man who can defeat the Quisling socialist pacifist Dem like BO or Her Highness. I will vote for the GOP guy. I will not whine or fantasize like so many of these poor purists who romantacize the past. I want to win. If Rudy G can bring some Gopers in, then I want him to win. No Dem can be trusted. I want a winner and no second or third tier Pub guy is going to win the nomination. Not one of them. I know because I work in the Party. I know what it takes to walk the precincts and convince voters. No Paul , Hunter et al is going to get the nomination. So let us unite around someone who can win. If Mitt, Fred, or Rudy , so be it. Better one of them than any Dem who will lose the war against Islamofascism and raise taxes and not change SCOTUS.
We don't see any difference in hillary or rudy -
“What does it achieve to survive the threat of Islamic terrorism if we do it at the cost of murdering our own children?”—Cicero
Your premise is hyperbolic and false. Notwithstanding my point about the coming mooting of abortion by technology, if Rudy is president, we will get judges who are strict constructionists. If hillary clinton is president, we will surely get pro-abortionist judges. Anyone concerned about abortion should, first and foremost, do everything to keep that woman out of the Oval Office.
Moreover, prioritizing, to mean anything, must reflect reality. Your prioritizing is the precise inversion of reality. The question that begs to be asked is this one:
“What does it achieve to have a pro-life candidate if that means we will not survive the threat of Islamic (and domestic) terrorism?”
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
If you can look at Rudy and Hillary and not see huge differences in how they would react to terrorism, (One manages the recovery from 9/11, the other kisses Mrs. Arafat,) how they see race relations (one took the very un-PC steps to clean up the worst black neighborhoods, the other defended Black Panthers at their murder trial) how they see society, (one understands individual responsibility, the other says “it takes a village) then i guess you don;t see any difference.
I like many, oppose abortion. I also realize that the reason most Americans see it as far down their list of importance of political issues is because of the horrible job the anti-abortion forces have done promoting their cause to the public. Bottles with dead fetuses and calling for the shooting of doctors are rather poor ways to build public support.
I find it incredible that the vehement anti-abortion crowd wants every woman to take total responsibility for her actions but refuses to accept responsibility for their failure to convince America of the correctness of their position.
Because of their actions, abortion has become a bit of a fringe issue and they only make it worse when they refuse to support anyone who does not toe their line exactly. In reality, the unborn deserve a much better quality of support than they have been getting. Quality, not volume counts here.
Become team players, or expect to be treated like anyone else who cries and runs home when they don’t get exactly their way.
The Republican wing of the Republican Party exists to see to it that voting for Rudy will not be a practical possibility come November 2008.
Mia t: Rudy cannot win when he is not nominated as he will not be. He can be Attorney General without input on judges or social issues if he is a very good boy between now and then and continues to be. The GOP is not going to become just another pro-abort party, just another antiChrist party; just another pro-lavender perversion party just to satisfy the want list of amoral people and immoral people who want it so baaaaad to be so. It won't be. If money is what you care about at the expense of the babies, the marriages, the guns, you will have to figure out whether you will support the Demonratic nominee or the actual Republican (socially conservative) nominee but you won't have Rudy available as a major party candidate. If strong foreign policy and the effective prosecution of the war against the Islamofascisti is your priority over the babies, you are really out of luck.
An American Mother: Mind Bender 26, on behalf of rudy, mentioned "the chase." That is your department.
To all: Let's get some real unanimity going. Fred Thompson vs. Her Satanic Majesty OR vs. the Breck Girl OR vs. Barack Hussein Osama bin Bama or vs. AlWhore.
Will you vote?
How will you vote?
We may as well ask realistic questions about candidates who CAN actually be nominated and a Republican who actually CAN be elected.
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