Posted on 04/16/2007 4:25:25 AM PDT by Liz
Many savvy conservatives saw the handwriting on the wall ages ago----the election successes of the Repub party were being eyed by power-hungry liberals. They started inching over----at Repub party functions one suddenly heard these party squatters talking about "reproductive choice."
Then Kenny (light in his loafers) Mehlman was named RNC chair---Kenny colluded to get Rooty embedded into the party structure---sending Rooty to campaign for Nov 2006 candidates (who all lost). Another notorious incident----Kenny leaked (read gave) Log Cabin gay Republicans top secret White House political strategy info. Mehlman offered to resign over the incident--but the WH refused the offer.
Now Rooty is all puckered up, doing his duty as an obedient lapdog (and if he doesn't, little Rooty can kiss bigbuck campaign contributions goodbye).
Social conservatives have to be dumped off the Repub Party---so that this bunch can control all facets of the US government. Rudy is the linchpin in The Big Plan and, as an obedient puppy, Rudy must perform to ditch us pesty social conservatives.
Keep in mind The Big Plan to dislodge Repub conservative power base ignorantly depends on the false assumption that conservatives are going to roll over and play dead.
That ain't happening.
I was talking about Tony Blankley.
An accurate word to describe Giuliani as he doesn't appear to heed, abide, or acknowledge the words of Catholicism, Rudy's alleged religion.
Rooty is a the liberal bred puppy we should offer up to Nurse Judy for a mouth stapling job!
LOL
Still arguing against the tail wagging the dog I see. Don’t you understand that the Far Right will ram the issue down the voters throats like it or not? Even if it totally alienates the vast majority the minority WILL have purity.
Yes, he did apologize. But, the fact that he called for Chavez’s murder made him look like a buffoon. Pat should stay out of politics, he is a light-weight.
There is only one thing electorally each of us really controls, and that is our own vote.
If, in this 2-party system of ours, you normally vote R and you instead vote 3rd party, or stay home, you are helping to elect the D. You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
To be specific, if it’s Rudy Giuliani vs. hillary clinton in ‘08, you will help to elect hillary clinton.
Because you won’t vote for the ‘liberal’ who will appoint strict constructionist judges, you will help to elect the Stalinist who will surely appoint pro-abortionists to the bench, and who will pick up where she left off decimating the Constitution, betraying our country and losing the war.
Good going.
ROTFL! Very good humor! :)
hi back, jla. ;)
Your nonsensical ravings have no revelance whatsoever to important conservative values emphasized by this web site.
Your willingness to exist in a total moral and intellectual vacuum is deeply offensive.
I am not interested in anything you might have to say.
Do not ever post to me again.
This isn’t going to mainstream Rudy, it’s going to drive the final nail into Pat “I prayed for the hurricane to go away and it did” Robertson’s coffin.
‘Nonsensical’? ‘Moral and intellectual vacuum’??
You are projecting, Liz.
No thinking, moral person would be afraid of debate. You obviously want to insulate your threads from debate and continue preaching to the choir. Rather pathetic.
What is it exactly that don’t you understand about my point (which is also Tony Blankley’s)?
The abortion issue will soon be mooted by technology, but the terrorism issue won’t.
We must elect a president who will protect ALL of our children, the living, the unborn, the not yet even imagined.
To do any less is immoral. To willfully help to elect hillary clinton is beyond ‘immoral’....
He also showed what he was made of when, losing by several points in the polls to a pro-life and generally conservative Democrat businessman on the Friday before his final re-election, he went to the Arizona Pro-life leaders and begged their forgiveness and support in exchange for his promise to vote pro-life for the entire term. They were gullible enough to believe "Mr. Integrity", endorsed him allowing him to squeak to re-election as Reagan swept the US and slaughtered the cream of Senate Demonrat radicals. Goldwater, of course, then betrayed the pro-lifers anyhow and knew he could not run for re-election thereafter. His excuse? He could see his dead wife Peggy (35 years a Planned Barrenhood National Director) and could not vote pro-life.
Goldwater also showed what he was made of when he betrayed Reagan repeatedly.
Goldwater also showed what he was made of when he bragged about taking his daughter to abort his grandchild when abortion was criminal and illegal. [Those who are fond of the long dead "rule of law" ought to keep this in mind.]
There is and can be no more crucial issue facing America than our supine acceptance of 50+ million butchered babies by surgical means alone under the rubric of Roe vs. Wade anarchy. If we have military manpower shortages, why do you suppose after 34 years of slaughter in abortion mills?
Taking your polling data as accurate (I have no way of knowing), you are advertising more than you ought to. Given the close nature of presidential elections, 2% of the total vote for whom abortion is "the only issue" is probably 4% of the GOP vote and 8% of the total vote for whom abortion is a very important issue is probably a bit less than 16% of the GOP vote. So, back-pedaling on abortion can cost you ads much as 20% of the GOP vote. That would give the Demonrats a 10% advantage over the norm or a 60-40% landslide which is the kind of margin LBJ had over Goldwater, Nixon had over McGovern, and Reagan had over Carter and Mondale. Hint: This is not a result you want to give the Demonrats.
The general suggestion of the social issue surrender monkeys is that anything and everything ought to take priority over the innocent life issue. The general suggestion of the pro-lifers is that we are not Euroweenie surrender artists on social issues and not on military issues and not on gun issues and not on a lot of other issues that just make liberal "Republicans" wet their beds.
If there is something he GOP must get beyond, it is the polo club, the yacht club, the gated communities, and the feeling that all is lost but let's just see that the loss does not occur in our time no matter what principles we must abandon to "win." (Louis XIV: After us the flood?) Your argument is merely the modern version of the old and thoroughly discredited Nelson Rockefeller nonsense that only surrender monkeys can "win" as Republicans. Where Goldwater failed and Rockefeller failed, Reagan showed us the way to win without this issue cowardice. Bold colors only, no pale pastels. If we do as well as Reagan did, I'll settle.
Our fate as a party and as a nation hangs in the balance. If we do not outlaw abortion, we do not deserve to survive as a party or as a nation. The abortion crisis continues until it is outlawed. Other issues are transient. We will defeat the Islamofascisti at whatever cost (by technology if necessary). If the Demonrats were elected and we sustain substantial losses, they will not be elected again in our lifetimes. We will then want an unbroken tradition from Reagan forward of strict social conservatism to peel the votes of those minorities who are pro-life and anti-homosexual from the never-ending unfulfilled economic lies and socialist schemes and antipatriotism of the Demonrats toward the party of patriotism, military, social conservatism and family.
Every child sliced, diced and hamburgerized is a crime against America. The GOP is characterized far more accurately by Phyllis Schlafly than it ever will be by the spineless likes of Christie Todd Whitman (Jon Corzine in drag without the injuries and beard) pouting that it IS TOO her party or IS her party TOO (whatever) (not any more, Christie, dear).
Republicans have plenty of issues. Abortion is first and foremost in importance. In his successful campaign President Thompson will hit all those issues.
Each child is worth infinitely more than any stock portfolio or tax cut or spoiled trust fund hunt country brat like Christie (the real life model for Muffie).
Who told you to say that Rooty?
The "Everything-For-Us-Nothing-For-Conservatives types?" Those brainiac Endless War Hopefuls; the ones who said liberated Iraqis would throw roses at GWB's feet?
The me-First Rudybots keep whining they will leave the US if they do not get their way. I say GET OUT NOW. Hurry up and pack. Why wait?
Why should we sacrifice our brave military men and women for these selfish ego-ecentric moonbats? Why should we spend US treasure to keep these Me-First Rudybots pacified?
The thought of one American soldier dying for Rudeo's values is nauseating.
I can't believe Rudy is that dumb, to say something like that, especially after the comments to CNN a while back.
He is getting some incredibly poor advice. I always thought of him as a very smart guy, but he just doesn't seem to have a clue about what the voters think outside the liberal cities.
What the “abortion is the only issue” crowd fails to comprehend or take responsibility for is the fact that their yelling as opposed to educating has created the environment where so few Americans agree with their “only abortion counts” position.
The problem with your math is that in order to get that 20% of the GOP vote, which is about 10% of the total vote, you are driving away the other 90% percent.
Yes, Ronald Reagan was against abortion, but he was wise enough to make national security and governmental accountability his main issues.
As long as you believe that among all the issues facing this country, such as the ongoing war on Radical Islam, that “abortion is first and foremost in importance” without ever doing anything to move public opinion on the issue, and crying like babies that a certain candidate isn’t conservative “enough” then you will continue to lose elections.
You pose the alternatives starkly, which is why at this point we have to hope that Giuliani does not win the nomination.
A choice between a corrupt, Communist, powerdrunk, mob-related witch and an extreme pro-abort Republican. Not a choice we want to be confronted with in November 2008.
I could never vote for hillary, but at this point I don’t believe I can ever vote for Giuliani, either. He is burning all of his bridges on the abortion issue. It took thirty years or more to move the national Republican party half way out of the Rockefeller camp into the conservative camp, dragging their feet every inch of the way, and if we elect a pro-abortion Republican all of that will be undone and we’ll have to start all over again.
Is that worse than electing Stalinette as president? I honestly don’t know. I can’t vote for either one of them. I hope the Republican Party realizes that and comes to its senses before it’s too late and we are confronted with such an impossible choice.
You seem to think there’s something extreme about the “abortion only” mentality (which happens to be a liberal buzzword).
Sorry, but a lot of people can’t shrug off 50 million dead babies, nor can we shrug off tyrannical judges who claim a constitutional right to killing babies. Roe v. Wade not only was murderous beyond anything in history, but it also turned the constitution upside down and destroyed the rule of law and the right of citizens to vote for what they believe is right.
No, abortion is not the only issue, but it’s the most important issue. What does it achieve to survive the threat of Islamic terrorism if we do it at the cost of murdering our own children?
As I have said before, those who consider other goals to be more important should understand that we need to support each other on these issues. You support the right to life, I support the war on terror. It’s not difficult, because like most of us here I support both anyway.
Your figures on what is important to voters are on the low side, as well. I was very hopeful that Rudy would come around on such issues as abortion and gun control, because he would be a good leader against Islamism. Regretably, he hasn’t had enough sense to do so, and now his goose is cooked. This really is the last straw. First a constitutional right to have the government pay for your abortion, and now let’s just put the issue behind us and “move on.” I think not.
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