Posted on 04/15/2007 1:23:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
A GHOST from the cold war has returned to haunt the CIA. A book to be published this month by a veteran American spy is raising startling new questions about Yuri Nosenko, the Russian defector who played a key part in the inquiry into the assassination of President John F Kennedy.
Conspiracy theorists have long been obsessed with Nosenko’s supposed role as the KGB officer who handled the Moscow file of Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK’s assassin, who had lived for three years in the Soviet Union.
After Nosenko’s defection in 1964 — a few months after Kennedy was shot in Dallas — he assured the CIA that the KGB had never tried to recruit Oswald, who was regarded as “too unstable” to be of use.
It was a crucial moment in the cold war, an apparent intelligence breakthrough that may have prevented a nuclear conflict had America concluded that Moscow was behind the assassination. But what if Nosenko was a fraud?
That tantalising possibility is examined in Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games, by Tennent H Bagley, the former CIA case officer who was initially in charge of Nosenko’s defection.
James Angleton, chief of the CIA’s counter-intelligence unit, went to his grave in 1987 suspecting that Nosenko was a double agent whose main task was to distract the agency from a KGB mole. “The book goes a long way toward rehabilitating [the idea] that Angleton was right in calling him a KGB plant,” said Ron Rosenbaum, a New York journalist who spoke to Bagley earlier this year.
Bagley, who now lives in Brussels, argues that the KGB’s aim was to steer the CIA away from realising that the Russians had recruited an American agent in Moscow in 1949 and perhaps two others later. The book raises the possibility that a KGB mole may have worked at the CIA during the cold war.
Nosenko is believed to be now living under an assumed name somewhere in America. He never gave evidence to the Warren Commission investigating the JFK assassination, but largely as a result of his assurances Washington never took seriously the idea that the KGB plotted to murder Kennedy.
If Nosenko was never who he claimed to be, it is not only Angleton’s reputation that may have to be revised. Bagley’s book seems certain to inflame America’s most formidable group of conspiracy theorists: those who are convinced that Oswald did not act alone.
There’s a stabilized version of it that’s a lot more clear floating around on the net.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stabilized+Zapruder&aq=t&oq=stabilized+Zaprude
Warning- it’s about as graphic as you’d expect it to be. I’m sure most folks have already seen it, posting just in case someone hasn’t and wants to.
I think JFK was about to put us back on the gold standard, and that, to the shadow government, was a no-no.
I think that is beyoned rational dispute. The only question is who "they" were/are. I'm not an avid follower of the Kennedy conspiracy theories, but as Thoreau once said, "sometimes circumstantial evidence is quite convincing--as when you find a trout in the milk."
Try this sequence;
1. Assume prone or kneeling position on presumed target line before vehicle comes into view {best case, but lucky assumption.]
2. acquire MOVING target in scope sight. [GOOD LUCK]
3. track and lead moving target, [assumed target is fortunately tracking away and on line with assumed on line path]
4. holding moving target [presidents body], center of mass in scope,hold breath, squeeze,round fires...
5.recoil, sight bounces off target.
6.chamber 2nd round with bolt action causing further barrel movement and disengagement from target and target line.
7.attempt realignment of shooters body line with MOVING target line.
8.attempt reacquisition of center of body mass target of president in moving vehicle with the scope sight [good luck again]
7.holding moving target [presidents body] tracking center of mass in scope,hold breath, squeeze, round fires...
or..
position self in window and snap off three quick shots in the general direction and hope you get lucky.
For non shooters..if you’ve ever used binoculars to view a moving bikini, you’ll know what I mean.
Sounds right to me -- at least it's consistent with what Evelyn Lincoln also said about RFK's and JFK's conversation the night they extended the VP nomination to LBJ. The way she told it, it became glaringly obvious that LBJ blackmailed his way onto the ticket. LBJ, pace John Nance Garner (who was a better man on his worst day, etc.), really did want the VP slot. Why?
But he wanted it bigtime, big enough to blackmail RFK and JFK. He twisted their arms clean off.....just like Bush 41 did to Ronnie Reagan.
I agree, at 44 and 88 yards, with a scope, 8 seconds would have been ample time to aim and score hits. I didn't realize the distances were so short. Having been on college and army rifle teams, I would consider it to have been easy.
I found this on Wiki as well:
Snipers: Former US Marine snipers, Craig Roberts, and Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, (who was the senior instructor for the US Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia) both said it could not be done as described by the FBI investigators.
“Let me tell you what we did at Quantico,” Hathcock said. “We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don’t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn’t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can’t do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it?”[33]
And...
The Rifle: It is improbable for Oswald's rifle, the Mannlicher-Carcano,[36] to be fired more than once in less than 2.3 seconds.[37][38] According to some interpretations of the Zapruder film, Governor Connally appears to react to being shot 1.7 seconds after Kennedy. Some believe this means they were hit by two separate shots fired in more rapid succession than would have been possible for Oswald's Cacarno. Top rifle experts of the FBI were incapable of making the rifle fire two shots in the 2.3-second timeframe.[39]
So on the one hand we have a bunch of people telling us they can do it with ease and it is a piece of cake and then we have some Marine snipers and FBI rifle experts that say they can't.
And people wonder why this is still being questioned.
You can say case closed all you want (and it would be fun to go back and count how many times it has been said on this thread) but the truth is the case isn't closed because people are still talking and debating it.
Part of the fun here is there is a lot of smoke around this case so people are doing what people do naturally - turn and look for the fire.
.....and, 30+ years later, it killed him.
Same as I believe the klintons have a dossier on Papa Bush which keeps GWB in close tow.
DO you believe that Papa Bush was involved in the assassination coverup, that he WAS the GEORGE BUSH of the CIA that Hoover wrote to after the assassination?
I think he was. At Ford’s funeral Bush said the following;
(This is what the elder Bush had to say at the National Cathedral in Washington, DC during his eulogy of President Ford):
“After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness. And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford’s word was always good.”
This is strange, really strange coming from Bush. Anyone who has even glanced at the JFK assassination knows the fix was in. WHY? Because LBJ killed him, and ONLY HOOVER AND LBJ had the power to fix the process.
It was LBJ.
Look at my article last year on the wounding of John Connally. The pictures at the end show exactly when Connally was hit in the back. 1960’s technology is a joke now, even the alteration of tons of evidence. LBJ sealed the evidence but the Zapruder film release in 1975 caused the HSCA in 1978 to open up cans of worms, the movie JFK in 1991 caused the records review act to release more, and now we have a complete story:
LBJ and Hoover did it, it’s simple and obvious.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1725590/posts?q=1&;page=453#453
Regards
Could you post the Wiki link? I’ve read a lot about Gunny Hathcock, but I’d never heard that.
Look at the section titled "More than one shooter" 7th bullet point.
“DO you believe that Papa Bush was involved in the assassination coverup, that he WAS the GEORGE BUSH of the CIA that Hoover wrote to after the assassination?”
I don’t have any knowledge of that. What I do believe is that the klintons have a dossier that has enough bad (and perhaps true) info on GHWB to keep GWB in line, just as I said.
Try this..... place a gallon milk jug full of water on a fence post. Shoot it with a round similar to what Oswald used. I’ll take even money that it falls forward. Add to the fact that Kennedy’s back brace prevented him from falling forward.............. Respectfully, I gotta say......... Oswald acted alone.
Well the polls prove it, then. We know how reliable they are.
Sadly, you are right.
You’re close but the initial impact drove JFK’s head FORWARD about two inches. He then was thrown backward due to any of three reasons. The jet effect you mentioned, crosscircuitry of the brain or the skull flap falling into his face. Maybe all three.
No shot, except from the sixth floor, is possible because of the autopsy and the Zapruder film.
btt
Sorry, there was no conspiracy. Oswald was the culprit, alone. There’s no Easter bunny either.
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