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To: stand watie
and you call THAT "piece of PROPAGANDA" a PRIMARY source???
and you can PROVE that that Yankee General was TRUTHFUL & DISinterested enough to BELIEVE his version of events???
give me a break. the DAMNyankees always LIED, just as the "jihadists" do NOW. their accounts, absent INDEPENDENT proof, should be discounted & found to be worthLESS.

Well, I am at a loss to supply anything you'd consider factual in that case... I am a student of Civil War history (having ancestors who fought on both sides). I believe that if you'll google Stand Waite you'd find that he was a Native American (Cherokee) and the last general officer in the former CSA to surrender. You may also discover that never denied the fact that many of the troops (braves) under him would revert to collecting "war trophies" (human scalps) after a battle.

A proud Southern son of a Confederate doctor in the 3d S.C. Cav., I am also much an admirer of Abraham Lincoln and damned glad we lost the War Between the States--otherwise, we'd all be speaking German and bowing to the memory of Der Furher because there would have been no way a divided American nation could have survived WWII.

329 posted on 04/13/2007 9:51:57 AM PDT by meandog (If it feels good, don't do it!)
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To: meandog
"there would have been no way a divided American nation could have survived WWII."

but would we have entered WWI? Because without entering I do not believe WWII would of taken place. Maybe some other European war but not as it was.

333 posted on 04/13/2007 10:03:50 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* ?I love you guys?)
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To: meandog
sorry, but the union accounts of MANY officers wwere SELF-serving, one-sided & downright FALSE.

absent INDEPENDENT proof, i discount them as "hearsay".

free dixie,sw

348 posted on 04/13/2007 2:11:02 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: meandog

Here’s the deal with Watie: No matter what evidence you present—official reports, census transcripts, first-hand accounts—they’re no good. They’re propaganda, lies, or liberal conspiracy. Meanwhile, all he has to do is tell you that someone (like this “Miss Gray”) told him something, and you’re expected to accept this as absolute, inarguable truth. Scores of reports of United State soldiers scalped at Pea Ridge? All lies. Census says that Stand Watie owned over a dozen slaves? Couldn’t be, because someone told him otherwise.


351 posted on 04/13/2007 2:49:01 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: meandog
sorry, but the union accounts of MANY officers wwere SELF-serving, one-sided & downright FALSE.

absent INDEPENDENT proof, i discount them as "hearsay".

free dixie,sw

352 posted on 04/13/2007 2:53:05 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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