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To: calex59
He convered the courts and gave a good argument, one I agree with, why you can't trust anything the courts say. They have the power to rule however they want and they will rule for government most of the time, and everytime when money is involved.

I read his article in its entirety, thank you. His whole argument was based on the assumption that all the courts including the tax courts, district courts and appeals courts are all in cahoots to violate the Constitution in order to ensure adequate income to the government. That is simply bogus, as a reading of any of the tax court rulings would conclude. Many go against the government. Almost none of the tax protester arguments go against the government because most are simply frivolous on their face.

Saying the courts ruled against the 5th amendment argument means nothing, as I said, he covered that argument in the article.

The distinction is that they explained their position; he didn't. Their position is that yes, one cannot be compelled to state where their illegal gains came from, but they can be compelled to file a return. If that return is incomplete or otherwise fraudulent, the IRS then has the power to investigate. But at no time does a filer have a requirement to self incrimination if that self incrimination would bring out their criminal activities. So there is no conflict.

IOW, if one sells illegal drugs, the tax code requires that the income be shown as a taxable item, but the 5th Amendment would protect the filer from having to state where the income came from if that would incriminate him.

Then we have to also state that the original constitution didn't allow for an income tax, there was a good reason for that, it is invasive and, as far as I am concerned, unconstitutional. We need to repeal the 16th and do away with the income tax.

Of course it's not unconstitutional because of the 16th Amendment. Will it be repealed? Hardly. I'd try and get used to it. You may not like the income tax, but the fact remains that the US is one of the lowest taxed 1st world nations. I think there are better options such as a consumption tax, but the bottom line is I will likely pay a somewhat similar amount of taxes, no matter how it is collected.

42 posted on 04/12/2007 8:51:55 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68
Almost none of the tax protester arguments go against the government because most are simply frivolous on their face.

While that is true, Alan Keyes has never made a single one of their arguments.

I think there are better options such as a consumption tax, but the bottom line is I will likely pay a somewhat similar amount of taxes, no matter how it is collected.

When it comes to taxes, the "how" is even more important than the "how much," if you care about liberty.

45 posted on 04/12/2007 8:58:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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