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Heads Up: GWB to speak on immigration reform 1:30PM ET
fox news | 4/9/2007 | staff

Posted on 04/09/2007 8:35:35 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: kellynla
I suspect & expect that by the presidential election cycle next year, Americans will be so fed up with the Bush administration that whoever is running for POTUS will have to address & be adamantly AGAINST ANY kind of amnesty until the borders are secured and illegals are deported!

We must stop Bush's comprehensive immigration reform. It's a Trojan Horse..

He wants to reward people who have come into this country ILLEGALLY? It's insane.

We need to increase penalties for both employers and employees who are breaking OUR laws..

And we need a POTUS Candidate who will "swear to defend" our Country against Illegal invaders walking across our Borders..

sw

221 posted on 04/09/2007 11:07:00 AM PDT by spectre ((Spectre's wife))
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To: napscoordinator
I was still in high school and didn’t know any better. lol. Politics were hardly my priority at that time. There were three things before that and it was girls, girls, girls...ok four...party.

I was in the work force and I was NOT happy about Reagan's amnesty at that time, and I am still not happy about it. It did show us that IT DIDN'T WORK to stem the flow. In fact things are worse now.

222 posted on 04/09/2007 11:07:29 AM PDT by Netizen (More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war 2,158 ea year - Center for Immigration Studies)
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To: petitfour; HonestConservative; kellynla
Not the way I remembered it -- or Floyd Brown

Indeed, he signed into law a permissive abortion bill early in his California governorship which has resulted in more than one million abortions. He publicly later regretted this decision, and he said it was the biggest mistake he made in government.

Unless, of course, he made more than one "biggest mistake"!

223 posted on 04/09/2007 11:09:01 AM PDT by maryz
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To: kabar

If we can locate and deport illegals today, what makes anyone think we’ll be able to locate and send guest workers home?


224 posted on 04/09/2007 11:09:06 AM PDT by Netizen (More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war 2,158 ea year - Center for Immigration Studies)
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To: rottndog
I like your solutions. However, I think the absolute first thing that must be done is no more welfare, schooling, tuition, medical care, etc. As one Repub Rep said before the last elections, no one breaks into the amusement park when the rides are turned off.

I agree with your number 7 but I think - from prior experience concening other legislation, particullary abortion - is that a Fed court would strike the legislation down as unConstitutional.

You are correct about law enforcement. It should start at the top with the President. If ICE will not do its job, fire the head of ICE.

225 posted on 04/09/2007 11:10:15 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: rottndog

Yep. At least people were honest in 1986 and called it Amnesty. Today, the spin is a “back of the line” path to citizenship and paying a fine. The “A” word invokes a violent reaction and claims that this is not Amnesty.


226 posted on 04/09/2007 11:13:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: TomGuy
[Do we play the drinking game on any of the above phrases?]

We'll only be drinking tequila after this is done.

227 posted on 04/09/2007 11:13:51 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: Netizen

The thing I don’t understand is that people like yourselves (who lived through first time) are not shouting it from the rafters how it was a failed policy and did not work. George Bush jr was not part of politics during that time and in fact was partying pretty much during that time and maybe did not realize what was going on and the effect of the policies. I know that you are shouting from the rafters, but I am talking of the other 20 million or so.


228 posted on 04/09/2007 11:14:08 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Netizen

Precisely.


229 posted on 04/09/2007 11:14:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kellynla
I’m not close to a TV so thankfully I don’t have to listen. LOL

I changed the channel when he got to 'family values don't stop at the border'.

230 posted on 04/09/2007 11:14:54 AM PDT by Netizen (More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war 2,158 ea year - Center for Immigration Studies)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Hunter is by far the best on border security.


231 posted on 04/09/2007 11:15:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: 7thson
I agree with your number 7 but I think - from prior experience concening other legislation, particullary abortion - is that a Fed court would strike the legislation down as unConstitutional.

Although legally I don't think the courts have a leg to stand on, I have to agree with you on that. But definitive federal legislation, which is then struck down by the courts, would demonstrate the necessity for a constitutional amendment, which would then be forthcoming, I think.

Either way, congress should force the issue, and make SCOTUS defend this obscenity, for all to see.
232 posted on 04/09/2007 11:16:24 AM PDT by rottndog (Mexico can go to Hell (Well actually it's already hell--Ask the millions who have fled from there))
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To: TomGuy
“When the meat packing co’s were raided a few months ago, legals in droves showed up to fill the jobs that opened up when the illegals were deported.

Statistics show that Americans are doing ‘jobs’, because stats show that illegals do some 10-20% of those jobs. Who does the President think is doing the other 80-90% of the jobs?”

Correctomundo!

You realize it and I realize it...but of course Bush refuses to realize it. And Bush's failure to enforce the immigration laws of this country will be the death knell of his presidential legacy.

233 posted on 04/09/2007 11:16:40 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: maryz
Unless, of course, he made more than one "biggest mistake"!

and that he did! LOL
234 posted on 04/09/2007 11:19:59 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kabar
Exactly. If the pro-amnesty crowd wants to prove their bona fides, let’s see their commitment to enforcing our borders first. Trust but verify. I see no sense of urgency in dealing with those already here.

Right! We're very smart. I've been saying for some time you can ignore the ones that are already here for the time being because until you stop the border crossings they're just going to turn around and come right back. Once the border is closed we will be in a position to be a great deal more compassionate in how we treat the ones that are already here, though not the violent criminal ones, or the ones that drive drunk, or drive without insurance, or defraud Social Security, or work off the books... Uh, maybe we ARE going to have to deport (or lock up) all 30 million.

235 posted on 04/09/2007 11:23:36 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Netizen
You're not supposed to "think ahead"...don't cha know.

May 1st will be the Second Annual Nationwide Socialist Hispanic protest/boycott/march.

They're demanding TOTAL Amnesty and Open Borders. They're not content with Bush's CIR..They want it ALL NOW!

sw

236 posted on 04/09/2007 11:23:48 AM PDT by spectre ((Spectre's wife))
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To: napscoordinator
The thing I don’t understand is that people like yourselves (who lived through first time) are not shouting it from the rafters how it was a failed policy and did not work. George Bush jr was not part of politics during that time and in fact was partying pretty much during that time and maybe did not realize what was going on and the effect of the policies. I know that you are shouting from the rafters, but I am talking of the other 20 million or so.

There are people shouting, but our governments at local, state and federal levels for the most part are deliberately ignoring the wishes of legal citizens. There are a few voices in the wilderness (Hunter, Tancredo etc.) but for the most part, those that are opposed are being ignored by those that could make a difference.

This is the one issue that I think an impeachment could be successful except that the dems don't want to enforce the laws either.

237 posted on 04/09/2007 11:24:11 AM PDT by Netizen (More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war 2,158 ea year - Center for Immigration Studies)
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To: kabar

that should have read, If we CAN’T...


238 posted on 04/09/2007 11:28:17 AM PDT by Netizen (More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war 2,158 ea year - Center for Immigration Studies)
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To: Netizen

If a friggin bomb comes across that border and goes off in an American city, there will be impeachment alright, count on it.


239 posted on 04/09/2007 11:29:34 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Netizen
The issue of allowing an invasion of our country borders on treason. Our military defends the borders of other countries but not our own. EPA was ordered to enforce laws. Same should be in cases of illegal aliens who not only get perks, they also get to sue for large sums those who try to stop them.
240 posted on 04/09/2007 11:31:55 AM PDT by Dante3
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