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To: Tzimisce
Sixth, why would the disciples die for a lie? We see in the Gospels that they were basically cowards. Why did these timid lambs suddenly change into the lions of the faith? Yes, people die for what they believe is true, but people do not die for what they know is NOT true. History says all of the disciples died for their faith except John.

Right now there are suicide bombers training to die in the name of Allah: a god that the Christians reject.

These were the direct participants of history, not followers of a text. Again the question is asked, why endure torture for refusing to recant?

Perhaps England does not exist since the British Navy was unwilling to die for it.

15 posted on 04/09/2007 3:47:25 AM PDT by weegee (I'm waiting to exhale. The Supreme Court has ruled that CO2 is pollution.)
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To: weegee
The apostles died for refusing to recant their belief and give allegiance to Rome. Suicide bombers die because they are expecting 72 virgins and immediate security of heaven. Bombers are driven by hatred. I wonder if they would submit to a horrendous death of themselves only with no one else as opposed to an explosion that instantly kills them and as many people as they hatefully can kill.
17 posted on 04/09/2007 4:07:54 AM PDT by healy61
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To: weegee

“These were the direct participants of history, not followers of a text. Again the question is asked, why endure torture for refusing to recant?”

I dunno, ask the Jews who were tortured by Christians during the Inquisition.


35 posted on 04/09/2007 6:16:42 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: weegee

According to them, they *are* dying for a text - namely, the Quran. There are others who have sacrifced themselves in the name of religion: Kamikazis are one. Furthermore there are people who have sacrificed themselves for ideals: Patriots from every nation. There are tons of other examples.


78 posted on 04/09/2007 9:14:29 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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