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Zell Wants End to Web's Free Ride
Washington Post ^ | April 7, 2007 | By Frank Ahrens and Karl Vick

Posted on 04/07/2007 6:30:35 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin2

It's time for newspapers to stop giving away their stories to popular search engines such as Google, according to Samuel Zell, the real estate magnate whose bid for Tribune Co. was accepted this week.

In conversations before and after a speech Zell delivered Thursday night at Stanford Law School in Palo Alto, Calif., the billionaire said newspapers could not economically sustain the practice of allowing their articles, photos and other content to be used free by other Internet news aggregators.

"If all of the newspapers in America did not allow Google to steal their content, how profitable would Google be?" Zell said during the question period after his speech. "Not very."

Newspapers have allowed Google to use their articles in exchange for a small cut of advertising revenue, but search engines also help to distribute their content to wider online audiences. Google and Yahoo have financial arrangements with wire services, such as the Associated Press, to provide news stories and photos. Yesterday, Google settled a copyright-infringement lawsuit with Agence France-Presse, which had alleged that Google posted news summaries, headlines and photos without permission.

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To: muawiyah
The Washington Post and LA Times both thought Free Republic was killing their on-line readership.

I've read more of their stuff, not to mention the Seattle Slimes and Seattle P-U (neither to which I will subscribe despite the demise of the "King County Journal"; the county apparently originally named for a slave-owning gay, but in the process of changing over to a celebrated philandering minister to whom whose prime audience pays no attention at all to his message).

Killing online replication only means "I'm not going there." Requiring excerpting likely means "I'm probably not going there" given how media sites lard themselves up with trash that takes forever to load, even if you have a *fairly* speedy connection (I exclude all dial-up here, having only recently let go of same for slightly faster DSL).

If they don't want me reading their stuff... go ahead and ban it. Be assured I won't be reading it.

And be ready, editors, to explain your low hit count to your advertisers.

41 posted on 04/07/2007 8:54:05 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2
I suspect that old Zell has progressed to the blowing bubbles in his own drool stage of senility. What a fool!
42 posted on 04/07/2007 8:57:34 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

To late!! I refuse to buy your propaganda sheet Zell!!!!!!


43 posted on 04/07/2007 9:01:09 PM PDT by Waco
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To: SevenofNine
Go for Zell and make your LA Times die fast than ever before HELLO

Kudos to Pinch for putting all of his megakooks behind a pay wall. Out of sight, out of mind.

The Grave Dancer's motives for buying TRB become clearer with each passing day. Zell seems to firmly believe that newspapers will continue to exist as he remembers them from his childhood. As a member of an older generation of Americans who still read newspapers he probably finds it impossible to imagine a world devoid of newspapers.

Go Grave Dancer! Put all of your socialist shilling conservative bashing rhetoric behind a paywall. Please. The sooner the better.
44 posted on 04/07/2007 10:14:02 PM PDT by Milhous (There are only two ways of telling the complete truth: anonymously and posthumously. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

LOL! I thought it had something to do with those two also.


45 posted on 04/07/2007 10:17:34 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

Oh no, not (s)Zell!

46 posted on 04/07/2007 10:19:12 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: DeaconBenjamin2
Yeah, I'm going to go back to reading newspapers again. And while I'm at it, I'll go back to buying compact discs, paying my bills by check and watching my movies on videotape.

Let's everybody go back to the 20th century!

47 posted on 04/07/2007 10:20:08 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 107 days away from outliving Curt Hennig (whoever he is))
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To: Cicero

fewer and fewer, sadly.

the los angeles skool system is ... um ...

bad.

the skool leftists have created a new slave class of kids that cannot do math or read.


48 posted on 04/07/2007 10:20:12 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: sionnsar
If they don't want me reading their stuff... go ahead and ban it. Be assured I won't be reading it. And be ready, editors, to explain your low hit count to your advertisers.

I think you're confusing your desire for free news with what newspapers need to do to stay profitable. Online editions contribute 2-3% of current newspaper revenues, despite having massive circulations beyond the paper edition. To put bluntly, your eyeballs are worth less than 2% those of a paid subscriber. I doubt they'll miss you when you're gone.

49 posted on 04/07/2007 10:20:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: rockinqsranch

The truth is...that newspapers will survive and live on. But the idea of major papers in LA, Chicago or St. Louis being major papers read by segments of society outside of their local area will come come to an end.

The internet readily beats newspapers on “real” news. So the papers are going to have to concentrate on local events and politics, which the internet and TV networks have yet to show alot of interest in. The day will come when you go to pick up the Nashville Banner on a Tuesday, and it will be 12 pages maximum.

I don’t see this as a bad thing. If they would concentrate on their local town and area...they might generate a bit more interest in local affairs and draw back some sour readers from the past.


50 posted on 04/07/2007 10:27:04 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Zhang Fei; sionnsar
And be ready, editors, to explain your low hit count to your advertisers.

cluetrain

A powerful global conversation has begun. Through the Internet, people are discovering and inventing new ways to share relevant knowledge with blinding speed. As a direct result, markets are getting smarter—and getting smarter faster than most companies....


Chaos 2.0

...Now marketers and customers can have their transactions and conversations directly. That is to say, we the customers can get the information we want about products straight from sellers and the more that happens, the less those sellers need to waste money on giving us messages we did not ask for and do not want (aka, advertising). The more that happens, the less money they will spend on ads. Total ad spending will, indeed, decline.

That horrible crashing sound you hear is a gravy train derailing. ...

51 posted on 04/07/2007 11:23:11 PM PDT by Milhous (There are only two ways of telling the complete truth: anonymously and posthumously. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

Ihope the bustard goes bust. this is probably good news that way the trib company will have less hits.


52 posted on 04/08/2007 6:59:22 AM PDT by bilhosty (Rudy in '08, Jindal in '16)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

It sounds to me like the Tribune Company is going to accelerate its decline under this guy.


53 posted on 04/08/2007 7:07:48 AM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08! FReepmail me to get on the Newt '08 Ping List)
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To: SevenofNine

He owns part of the White Sox....so he has to do something....


54 posted on 04/08/2007 9:34:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2
If Google can not use Tribune sources they will get their news elsewhere from other news outlets. Or hire their own reporters and bypass traditional media. Its a big world out there and it is ever changing. If you do not adapt you fall behind.
55 posted on 04/08/2007 9:42:56 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Milhous
You have no idea what you are talking about. Zell has said he never even bothers to read the LA Times editorial page and he reads the NY Times to find out what “the other side is thinking”.
If I worked for the LA Times, I’d be very worried. I love panicing liberals, they cry so loudly.
56 posted on 04/08/2007 9:49:42 AM PDT by bfree (liberalism is the enemy of freedom!!!)
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To: adorno

” But, regarding that last part, with my idea, the reporters would be working for themselves. “

Yes, but won’t they still have that same liberal slant? Won’t they still be trying to change the world and “raise awareness”?

I salute your efforts at changing the paradigm (I am happily ignorant of the inner workings of the news business) and I hope that your model takes hold.


57 posted on 04/08/2007 10:59:54 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: DBrow

Joila! The Politic!


58 posted on 04/08/2007 11:02:55 AM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: cartoonistx
Joila! The PoliticO!
59 posted on 04/08/2007 11:03:32 AM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: bfree
You have no idea what you are talking about. Zell has said he never even bothers to read the LA Times editorial page and he reads the NY Times to find out what “the other side is thinking”.

LOL. Netters first started posting about grave dancer's supposed newspaper reading habits weeks (months?) ago. ROTFL. OTOH Zell erroneously believes that just because he still reads newspapers that everybody else must read newspapers too.
60 posted on 04/08/2007 1:55:47 PM PDT by Milhous (There are only two ways of telling the complete truth: anonymously and posthumously. - Thomas Sowell)
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