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To: restornu
You asserted that the following verse supports your perspective, but take care in that since you must make clear whom are the 'sons of God who came in to the daughters of men': Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Since Satan and a third of Heaven's Angels have been banished from Heaven, they cannot be the ones shouting for Joy ... but the Sons of God come in to the daughters of men and conceive giants????

And with humility and decades of scripture study, may I offer the following notions on the other verses you posted? I'll leave out the Hebrew Transliterated versions, to expedite.

Prov. 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Jesus is the one being spoken of, as in a Messianic prophecy. This is not about you or me, it is about our Savior.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Ibid

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:Ibid

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:Ibid

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.Ibid; this is a clear relating of how Messiah rejoiced as He witnessed Yahweh creating! And a beautiful perspective it is!!

Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. It is beyond the material in the verses to imply 'gave it' means it was always existing prior to Yahweh placing your spirit in you. Had Yahweh wanted to communictae that, He would have used some convention similar to that which He used in Jeremiah, in the next verse you offered.

Jer. 1: 5 We've dealt with this one in a previous post

407 posted on 04/10/2007 2:43:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

I agree it is about Christ, it’s beautiful and eloquent, and frankly it’s a shame that the jews do not see it in it’s simplicity.

But I also see the very clear reference here in verse 31. God delighted there with the sons of men.

30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.


409 posted on 04/10/2007 2:52:35 PM PDT by sevenbak
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To: MHGinTN; sevenbak; DelphiUser
"You asserted that the following verse supports your perspective, but take care in that since you must make clear whom are the 'sons of God who came in to the daughters of men': Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Since Satan and a third of Heaven's Angels have been banished from Heaven, they cannot be the ones shouting for Joy ... but the Sons of God come in to the daughters of men and conceive giants????

And with humility and decades of scripture study, may I offer the following notions on the other verses you posted? I'll leave out the Hebrew Transliterated versions, to expedite.~ MHGinTN

It is wonderful that you have studied the for decades it truly a sign of all the sincere love you have for the God, but your reply fall short with your "abridged edition" of the standard works, because verse Job 38:7 replies to a question that the Lord had asked Job which has nothing to do with Genesis 6:4

God asks Job where he was when the foundations of the earth were laid, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy— The phenomena of nature show greatness of God and weakness of man.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? In cluded among that group at that time was also Lucifer before he fell from heaven!

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Prov. 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Jesus is the one being spoken of, as in a Messianic prophecy. This is not about you or me, it is about our Savior. ~ MHGinTN

How is that possible MHGinTN when in the beganning was the Word - Christ is the Word?

John 1
Christ is the Word of God—He created all things and was made flesh—John baptizes Jesus and testifies he is the Lamb of God—John, Andrew, Simon, Philip, and Nathanael believe in Christ and follow him.

1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Ibid
24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:Ibid
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:Ibid
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.Ibid;
this is a clear relating of how Messiah rejoiced as He witnessed Yahwehcreating! And a beautiful perspective it is!! ~ MHGinTN

Again your "abridged edition" of the standard works causes you to fall short!

Wisdom is greatly to be desired—The Lord and the sons of men possessed wisdom in pre-existence.

Sons of God shall become like Christ—Love for the brethren required to gain eternal life—Obedience assures us an answer to our prayers.

1 John 3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

It is because of "by the power of the Holy Ghost" and not the letter of the law, and the standard works that LDS are to unlock the mysteries of the Bible!

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Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

It is beyond the material in the verses to imply 'gave it' means it was always existing prior to Yahweh placing your spirit in you.

Had Yahweh wanted to communictae that, He would have used some convention similar to that which He used in Jeremiah, in the next verse you offered.

In the LDS understanding it is the Heavenly Father that is the Father of our spirit and Jesus formed man from the dust of the ground!

Prior to this we were nothing but intelligent that had no means of progressing unless Heavenly Father promoted us!

517 posted on 04/11/2007 8:56:18 AM PDT by restornu (I know that thou art redeemed, because of the righteousness of thy Redeemer; 2 Ne 2:3)
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518 posted on 04/11/2007 8:57:12 AM PDT by restornu (I know that thou art redeemed, because of the righteousness of thy Redeemer; 2 Ne 2:3)
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