Posted on 04/05/2007 5:42:47 PM PDT by Utah Girl
“Before I formed thee in the belly “
Uhh...that’s about predestination and foreknowledge. Before I FORMED thee. There was nothing before you were formed but God knew all about you.
What are you trying to say?
Yes but he shot all those thousands of jack rabbits and now he's shot himself in the foot with the statement regarding "flat tax". He needs to get better advice before he starts talking big either as the great white hunter or as the tax expert.
Just my opinion.
What is the spirit? Where did we come from? Who is our Father?
If Jerimaiah was “ordained a prophet unto the nations” before he was born, and if he wasn’t a spirit, just what exactly was he?
Feel free to knock Mitt on his tax advise, but I won’t. He’s worth a half billion dollars and knows finances and fiscal policy more than any of us likely ever will.
God has foreknowledge. Remember, nothing had been formed yet. No flesh and no spirit. God ordained it to be so. He knew it would happen. One day, he would raise up Jeremiah as a Prophet.
references?
Please...That assumption says George Soros is also intelligent. Money begets money. It does not give one any intelligence.
Genesis 2:
4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew:
Would you please point out any untruths in the DVD.
BTW it is not Anti anything it is PRO Christian. We are only defending ourselves against the onslaught of attacks by your religion upon ours.
f”or they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight” (Joseph Smith History 1:19).
“With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world” (Brigham Young - Journal of Discourses 8:199).
“Presumptuous and blasphemous are they who purport to baptize, bless, marry, or perform other sacraments in the name of the Lord while in fact lacking the specific authorization” (Spencer W. Kimball “The Miracle of Forgiveness, pg.55)
References? ... LOL How about the creation of the universe as a reference. As He created the universe, He also brought into existence the essence of dimension TIME and dimension SPACE, in which matter and energy are manifest. As such an Creator, He is greater than the creation or the created ... His temporal perspective encompasses past, present, and future, simultaneously, so He can choose from which prespective He wants to view the whole. To you and me, the universe is approx. 15 billion years old. From God’s perspective (using our 24 hour day as a guide since He would be writing to us), the entire process has taken approx. six of 24 hour days ... it’s ‘realativity’ don’tchaknow, and it is illustrable with math and science.
(smacks head) You are saying that the verse implies a spirit riding the pine until God calls it into the game. I am saying it implies that God knows what he plans to do before he does it. Either way, there is no explicit mention of a spirit waiting on the Go sign.
If you want Scriptural basis for predestination and foreknowledge, we’ll be here a while because there is lots of it.
Here is the modern translation
Gen 2:4 And that is how the universe was created. When the LORD God made the universe,
to-led-aw', to-led-aw' (plural only) descent, that is, family; (figuratively) history: - birth, generations.
Who just happens to be one of your ggg grandparents CC!
Hebrew Transliterated
2:4 'aLH ThVLDVTh HShMYM VH'aUrTSh BHBUr'aM BYVM 'yShVTh YHVH 'aLHYM 'aUrTSh VShMYM.
King James Version
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Hebrew Transliterated
2:5 VKL ShYCh HShDH TUrM YHYH B'aUrTSh VKL-'yShB HShDH TUrM YTShMCh KY L'a HMTYUr YHVH 'aLHYM 'yL-H'aUrTSh V'aDM 'aYN L'yBD 'aTh-H'aDMH.
King James Version
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Hebrew Transliterated
2:6 V'aD Y'yLH MN-H'aUrTSh VHShQH 'aTh-KL-PhNY-H'aDMH.
King James Version
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
yes resty, I already said that on this very thread.
You see, I don’t try to hide embarrassing facts. I like the truth, the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth.
The major points of contention as outlined on the LDS Church Web site are polygamy — both as practiced early in the LDS Church's history and as practiced by "present day polygamous groups that have nothing to do with today's Church" — and the Mountain Meadows massacre.
sevenbak,
The scripture you referenced here from Jeremiah does not say that Jeremiah existed before he was born. No “wresting” needed.
God says to Jeremiah that He knew Jeremiah before he was even formed and appointed him a prophet while he was in his mother’s womb.
Again, foreknowledge and omniscience do not equal the same thing as Jeremiah existing in a spirit waiting room in heaven.
You are taking concepts the Bible does not teach - which were invented by the mormon church not that long ago - and infusing them into passages of the Bible which do not teach them, but contain one word or so that seems to jive with your pre-belief. This is common with mormonism, by the way.
Call what you believe “mormonism”. I have no problem with that at all and you have a right to believe whatever you want - including the whole back story about the planet Kolob and the becoming a god teaching.
Just don’t try to pass it off as Christian or Biblical. It is neither.
This may help with Genesis 2:5 - from a Hebrew scholar...
1. the creation of the man and the woman (2:4-25)
2:4a. This section (vv. 4-25), as indicated in verse 4a, traces the account of (what became of) the heavens and the earth when (beyôm, lit., “in the day,” an idiom for “when”) they were created. What became of Creation is that sin entered and devastated it.
2:4b-7. In the creation of Adam the contrast is striking: against the background of a time when there was no life, no growth, no rain, no one to till the ground, God took great care in forming man. The arrangement in these verses includes a title (v. 4), three circumstantial clauses beginning in the Hebrew with “when” (“when” no shrub . . . had yet appeared, “when” there was no man to work the ground, “when” streams . . . watered the . . . ground), and the verb beginning the narrative (and [He] formed). This mirrors chapter 1 (title, 1:1; circumstantial clauses, 1:2; and the first of the narrative verbs, 1:3).
Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., & Dallas Theological Seminary. (1983-c1985). The Bible knowledge commentary : An exposition of the scriptures (1:30). Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.
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